Issac Grant, Tom Fiore and I have relocated the bird. Dropped Pin near Inwood, New York, NY https://goo.gl/maps/eS2tuMgiieq
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:09 AM Hugh McGuinness <hdmcguinn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Last year the Maryland-DC Records Committee evaluated Maryland's first > record of "Western" Flycatcher in the affirmative. In order to do this we > spent a day at the NMNH looking at skins. Using my notes from that day, I > find the Manhattan bird a bit confusing. > > I spent about 20 minutes last night and felt comfortable ruling out Least > & Acadian Flycatchers. Similarly I don't think this has the right jizz for > Hammonds or Dusky. I also agree that it most closely looks like > Western/Yellow-bellied. > > The major factor that least supports Western is the shape of the eye-ring. > In Western the eyering often has an exaggerated posterier margin creating > the tear drop shape and it often disappears at the 12 o'clock position. > This bird has a complete eyering without an exaggerated teardrop. > Nevertheless, I can find photos of Western on the internet that show > similar eye-rings to the Inwood bird. > > The factors that I believe support Western Flycatcher are as follows: 1. > dull brownish-black ground color of the flightfeathers (in yellow-bellied > these are noticeably darker and blacker); 2. the relatively small dark > patch between the lower wing bar and the pale secondary panel (in YB this > patch is wider and darker); 3. the primary pattern (in YB there is even > spacing of tips between p5-6 and p6-7) where this bird shows a single wide > space between p5-6; the relatively long tail (in specimens body size was > virtually identical between western and YB, but the tail of the former was > about 1cm longer); 5. the eye-ring appears to be white (which can > admittedly occur in YB, but is more commonly yellowish). > > Given all that I have said this is an Empidonax in winter, so I may be > completely wrong. It would be great to get more photos, especially > detailing the shape of the bill from above or below, a sharper picture of > the wing tip, the size of the post wingbar dark patch and the face in > profile. > > Hugh > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu> > wrote: > > Having asked for more posts to this list, I'll contribute one. > > > > > > My thought process on any late (after early October) Empidonax in the > Northeast is roughly as follows: > > > > > > 1. Can we rule out Least? > > > Least Flycatcher is an abundant species and more prone to late occurrence > than other common eastern species. In this case, the NY bird appears too > green, with too long of a primary projection. Its eyering also is narrower > on the top and bottom and longer to the rear than I would expect for Least. > > > > > > 2. Can we rule out the narrow-billed western North American species > (Hammond's, Dusky, Gray)? > > > These three potential vagrants have bills shaped very differently from all > our common eastern species, which have spade-shaped bills. The NY bird > clearly has a spade-shaped bill, so these can be excluded. > > > > > > 3. This leaves us with two groups: (A) Willow/Alder/Acadian, which are > large and lanky (and especially unlikely in December); and (A) > "Western"/Yellow-bellied, which are small, relatively bright green and > yellow, very similar-looking, and both proven to occur from time to time in > late fall in the Northeast. Ken Feustel found a Yellow-bellied at Jones > Beach in December 2009: > > > > > > https://flic.kr/p/PteiBu > > > > > > --and he and Bob Paxton have summarized the rare but regular late-season > occurrence of this species: > > > > > > http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y2002v52n3/y2002v52n3p220-221paxton.pdf# > > > http://www.nybirds.org/KBsearch/y2010v60n2/v2010v60n2p90-94feustel.pdf# > > > > > > The bird just doesn't look like a Willow/Alder type ("Traill's > Flycatcher") by virtue of overall appearance. Willow especially would not > look so green, would not show such a long primary projection, and would > have a less distinct eyering. Alder averages closer to the NY bird in each > of these respects, but just not enough to make me consider it seriously. I > did, however, get an impression of Acadian when first scanning images > (especially the more distant ones) of the NY bird. The next thing I looked > at was leg color: they appear gray. > > > > > > This is interesting because Acadian, Yellow-bellied, and "Western" have > gray legs, whereas the others have blacker legs. So, picking up here with > these three, I would cautiously exclude Acadian because the bill does not > look big enough, the face-throat area doesn't look right, and the eye-ring > is too bold and asymmetrical. > > > > > > As noted by many already, distinguishing Yellow-bellied from "Western" can > be very difficult, especially when dealing with images rather actual views > of a living bird. My initial impression was that the bird was consistent > with Yellow-bellied, but that it looked a bit smaller-headed and more > crested (points favoring "Western") than I was entirely comfortable with. > That said, I think an actual "Western" would be more richly colored (I > don't know them well, but I know that Yellow-bellied can be surprisingly > drab) and would have a much more obvious small-headed, crested jizz. In > addition, I think that the high contrast wings look right for > Yellow-bellied and less consistent with my (admittedly inexperienced) > impression of "Western." > > > > > > I would lean to Yellow-bellied pending further information about calls, > further photos, and further commentary from others. > > > > > > Shai Mitra > > > Bay Shore > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: bounce-121070624-3714...@list.cornell.edu [ > bounce-121070624-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Andrew Baksh [ > birdingd...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 7:20 AM > > > To: Donna Schulman > > > Cc: Angus Wilson; Isaac Grant; <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> > > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Manhattan Empidonax - Inwood Hill Park > > > > > > Always tough at this time of the year. For me, I would also include > Acadian to the list of possibilities. > > > > > > -------- > > > "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the > ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own > abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass > > > > > > 風 Swift as the wind > > > 林 Quiet as the forest > > > 火 Conquer like the fire > > > 山 Steady as the mountain > > > Sun Tzu<http://refspace.com/quotes/Sun_Tzu> The Art of War< > http://refspace.com/quotes/The_Art_of_War> > > > > > > (__/) > > > (= '.'=) > > > (") _ (") > > > Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! > > > > > > Andrew Baksh > > > www.birdingdude.blogspot.com<http://www.birdingdude.blogspot.com> > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Donna Schulman <queensgir...@gmail.com > <mailto:queensgir...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Angus, > > > > > > This looks like the Whatbird discussion: > http://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/topic/157667-eastern-wood-pewee-nyc/ > > > > > > There is also some discussion now going on, on the New York Birders > Facebook page. > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > Donna L. Schulman > > > Forest Hills, NY > > > queensgir...@gmail.com<mailto:queensgir...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.flickr.com/photos/queensgirl> > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Angus Wilson <oceanwander...@gmail.com > <mailto:oceanwander...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Hi Isaac, Thanks for bring this to everyone's attention. > > > > > > As most readers will already know, the field identification of empidonax > flycatchers in the fall can be extremely difficult but not impossible. I > think it would be educational and healthy for the list for us to have an > online discussion of this bird beyond the usual 'it's still here' updates. > > > > > > Based on the eye ring and shape of the bird the main contenders are > WESTERN FLYCATCHER (WEFL) and YELLOW-BELLIED FLYCATCHER (YBFL). Even though > YBFL pass through New York City area with some regularity on migration they > are extremely rare at such a late date, although not unheard of. Using > 'likelihood' is therefore not really appropriate and we must rely on > images, live views, and if we get really lucky, some vocalization. > > > > > > I'd be very curious to hear the arguments advocating YBFL put forward on > Whatbird as mentioned but not expanded upon in John Keane's written > comments. Perhaps someone who has seen them can paraphrase? > > > > > > At this late hour I am happy to remain agnostic about the identification > and would like to hear the arguments. Any empid in December is exciting and > a great find. > > > > > > Hopefully local birders will be able to refind the bird tomorrow and > obtain additional photos. If not, we already have a good set of images to > chew on. > > > > > > Cheers, Angus Wilson > > > New York City > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:45 PM, isaac grant <hosesbroadb...@gmail.com > <mailto:hosesbroadb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > This was just posted to ebird. 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