I didn't mean to discourage you. I support any effort to try to help these unfortunate Swallows. As I said, putting signs and ropes are very doable. The top of the wall can be accessed very easily. People walk over the dunes all the time. Gus
---- On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:50:14 -0400 <redk...@optonline.net> wrote --- > I think most would if they know their actions could put birds and baby > birds in jeopardy. We can carry this discussion further off-line if > you'd like. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: gusk...@zoho.com > To: jose.ramirez.garof...@rutgers.edu > Cc: redk...@optonline.net; NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > The question is: will people obey the signs? > > > ---- On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 16:27:49 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > <jose.ramirez.garof...@rutgers.edu> wrote --- > > Unfortunately, not likely, We have tried this on Staten Island. > > Get Outlook for iOS > > From: redk...@optonline.net <redk...@optonline.net> > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:22:05 PM > > To: Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com>; Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > <jose.ramirez.garof...@rutgers.edu> > > Cc: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> > > Subject: Re: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb > Beach Gus: Thank you for sharing some good news! Do you think that signs > and > > roping could be put on top to prevent humans from compressing the > > nesting chambers? > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: gusk...@zoho.com > > To: jose.ramirez.garof...@rutgers.edu > > Cc: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb > Beach > > > > Great news! > > After I saw the photo of the nestling taken by another birder 3 > days > > ago (I am sorry for not mentioning his/her name. I don't know if > he/she > > wants the publicity), I had to go and check on the fate of this > nestling > > and the nest. > > > > The moment I arrived, I noticed that the nest that was half > occluded > > yesterday is wide open today. It made me happy to see that the > swallow > > re-opened it. Looking inside, I could see the chick is alive and > well. > > > > Few minutes later, an adult came and fed the chick and I recorded > the > > feeding act on video. You can see it here: > > > > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FBirdBrklyn%2Fstatus%2F1548720277110005762&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zLp34JGJdJAXzsLv1Ia4smEFqZULgsnqybbERmabTZ0%3D&reserved=0 > > > > To the best of my knowledge, this is the first ever Bank Swallow > > offspring that was born in Brooklyn. If this is inaccurate, please, > let > > me know. > > > > The fact that this nest is wide open proved to me again that no > bird > > will ever abandon its chicks permanently. They might abandon them > for a > > short period of time when there is a danger around, but they always > come > > back to care for them after the danger goes away. At least this is > my > > experience with all the nests I have followed over the years. > > > > This Swallow couldn't let its chick be buried alive. > > > > As for the other nests, they are still occluded. Two of them > totally > > occluded and the third is half occluded. My thinking that there are > no > > living chicks inside. The swallows probably abandoned their eggs, > and > > they might try laying eggs in another burrow, like Jose suggested. > > > > Good birding to all > > Gus Keri > > > > > > > > ---- On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:30:59 -0400 Jose Ramirez-Garofalo > > <jose.ramirez.garof...@rutgers.edu> wrote --- > > > > > > Gus, > > > > > > Unfortunately, that is a common occurrence with Bank Swallow > > colonies on the coast. There is really no way to adequately protect > the > > nests unless the land management agency fences off the top of the > > dune/bluff. Disturbance to the front of the colony site can also a > > problem at a site like Plumb—though less-so than actual nest > collapse. > > Since they aren’t protected (not even as a Species of Special > Concern > > despite their widespread declines in NYS/the northeast), it isn’t > likely > > that targeted measures will be undertaken for the swallows there. > > > > > > The good news is that they are adept at re-nesting, and will > > sometimes nest in drainpipes like Northern Rough-winged Swallows. > We are > > pretty late in the season for them, but it isn’t out of the > question. > > > > > > Cheers- > > > José > > > > > > -- > > > José R. Ramírez-Garofalo > > > Pronouns: He/Him/His > > > PhD Student > > > Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources > > > Rutgers University > > > 14 College Farm Road, > > > New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901 > > > > > > > > > From: Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com> > > > Date: Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:52 PM > > > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > > To: Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding alert > <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> > > > > > > > > > Updates on these nests: > > > Today, the third nest was totally occluded and the fourth one > is > > half-occluded, and I anticipate it to be gone by the end of the > day. > > > The reason: people are camping on the top of the cliff exactly > > above the nesting wall. > > > It is very sad that the first ever Bank Swallow nesting in > Brooklyn > > will not be successful this year and we won't have any new > generation of > > this species here. > > > Gus Keri. > > > > > > ============ Forwarded message ============ > > > From: Gus Keri <gusk...@zoho.com> > > > To: "Birding alert, NYSBirds, Birding > > alert"<nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:35:40 -0400 > > > Subject: Bank Swallow nests at Plumb Beach > > > ============ Forwarded message ============ > > > > > > > As some of you know there are few nest holes in Plumb beach > for > > Bank Swallow this season and this happened here for the first time > ever, > > as far as I know. > > > > For the last couple of weeks, there were total 4 holes in a > > small sandy wall that span some 10-15 feet high and 15-20 feet > wide. I > > only saw the swallows go into three of these holes. > > > > Today, I saw only two open holes while the other two were > > completely occluded with sand. > > > > > > > > I remember at the beginning that two or three other holes > closed > > completely with sand, but this was before they started nesting. > > > > At that time, I thought they make few nests and then choose > one > > or two of them to be used. > > > > > > > > But this time the issue is different. I have seen a swallow > go > > into one of the two closed nests few times which made the > possibility of > > nesting bird inside very high. And this made me think; what if > there was > > a female sitting on the eggs when the hole collapse! Can she make > her > > way out? Are these holes connected to each other from the inside to > > provide an escape? > > > > > > > > The sand in this wall seems to be soft and can collapse > easily. > > This will put all the other nests at risk. > > > > I have never seen Bank Swallow nests before, so, I have no > > knowledge of this trouble. > > > > > > > > I thought some of you might have an answer. > > > > > > > > Does sand collapse cause any harm to the nesting birds? > > > > Is there anything can be done to protect the current nests? > > > > > > > > Gus Keri > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northeastbirding.com%2FNYSbirdsWELCOME.htm&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=U8u2u0y6fHiDSKNx9K19QKNP6EKQX0sbTnVdKu52%2BDE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northeastbirding.com%2FNYSbirdsRULES.htm&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WN8ebdFQq8P%2BL8KTV7q6k1hAMCuUgK%2F7PlwL%2BFAwgAc%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.northeastbirding.com%2FNYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918479676%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HC9ZiGC9O3YdZsb7jHLtb3w8QrpMOHv3jUK2w3aOp1g%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > ARCHIVES: > > > 1) > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fnysbirds-l%40cornell.edu%2Fmaillist.html&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918635927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bh%2BTs4LdtS1N51BvVaXdH2gLqyiP%2FxlXJb0Z9ywR%2F1g%3D&reserved=0 > > > 2) > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surfbirds.com%2Fbirdingmail%2FGroup%2FNYSBirds-L&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918635927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PlZCebSE3YKKR5EKLzJYa5PbSye9GpvQQGTYKHmzbls%3D&reserved=0 > > > 3) > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbirding.aba.org%2Fmaillist%2FNY01&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918635927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GKPs9Fr2GMlMvzS91CFYzpNl02xqoHEv%2BT0%2FtTzo3%2BA%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > > > > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fcontent%2Febird%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cjose.ramirez.garofalo%40rutgers.edu%7C29a42e35f16f450a9df908da683206b8%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C637936861918635927%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=j9Bz71QyRZ3NBSRjwN8sCf%2FDhKX5HIfoBGesm9G2vH0%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > -- > > > -- > NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and > Basics Rules > > and Information Subscribe, > Configuration and Leave Archives: > > The Mail Archive Surfbirds > ABA Please submit your > > observations to eBird! 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