On the whole I prefer the laid back approach given in the following link -
www.beastway.com -----Original Message----- From: Hall, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:04 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [obc] Lack of TT results- posted on behalf of member Paul Smeulders - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smeulders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "OBClist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:00 Subject: Lack of TT results > I'm loathe to step into this, but I'd like to point out a few things > regarding SPECIFICALLY Michael's comments regarding the board, and Avery in > particular: > > >Avery, > > [snip] > >- the board is not a dictatorship in the 2 year > >interim between elections > > I understand that Avery has a vote on a board of how many...12 or 15? While > Avery speaks with some influential fervour, he is not at all the board's > "dictator". They will vote, and Avery's opinion will carry the democratic > weight it deserves. So happens, I guess, that the majority agree with him, > from time to time. Evidently so, on this issue. You are free to disagree. > > >- your attitudes and opinions surrounding a link to > >Celia's site are not attitudes and opinions that are > >the saving grace of the OBC. The OBC existed long > >before your ideas came along, with supporting websites > >and information, and the OBC will also continue to > >exist long after, even if these attitudes and opinions > >were to be dropped today. So, you needn't think you > >are doing the membership any favours with your > >position > > Okay, can repeat my above paragraph here again. > > >But, more than this, the board has taken on an > >activity for which they were not asked or required to > >do by the membership. Where was this attitude in any > >election platform? The membership didn't have an > >issue or concern before, and still do not with Celia's > >sites. The board is responsible for their own > >difficult existence because of their stance. > > >The board is spending time and resources on activities > >for which there are far better things to do. Just > >think what great things could be accomplished, if the > >board spent half as much time and energy as they do > >tackling this matter, on some more useful persuit. > >Anyone up for brainstorming of ideas for the board to > >spend an obvious over-abundance of energy? > > The other side of this coin is the following, please consider it, despite > the argument over the details of the original premise, that of the > "resignation". > > Evidently, the board "believed" they were faced with a resignation. They > "believed" they HAD to get the work done by someone else. That someone else > was not prepared to immediately and magically complete the substitute > website. I can understand that a board may say: "What is the shortest path > to a desired result? Negotiating more with someone who has "resigned", or > just launch the new-guy, and see what he comes up with?". The latter option > has a definite desired result at some time, assuming commitment and > competence. The former may never have a result, and in fact, could further > delay the result if the latter option ultimately becomes to ONLY option, ie, > negotiations fail. We may argue the resignation, as Celia has, and we can > also argue about taking that second decision...perhaps a little more > negotiation WOULD have resulted in achieving a satisfactory end-point even > sooner than we had one. Fact is, now we can't know for sure. We can all > place our own reasonable guesses. > > In the meantime, I greatly benefited from the work of BOTH volunteers, and I > thank them. > > I'm not saying this as a voice "against Celia" (oh god, never). Let's be > very very clear that I've come to respect and adore her, and enjoy the > personality, colour, expertise, and overall contribution she makes to our > community. I think her contribution would be dearly missed if she really > stopped working for the TT and the club members. I hope I'm ONLY arguing > some of Michael's points made with respect to how he believes Avery dictates > to the board like some pied-piper, as well as Michael's points regarding the > percieved wastage of time. Sometimes you make a decision, you go with it. > Changing it later, well, that can be an even bigger waste of time. So to > address Michael's comment : > > >"No business would tolerate such behaviour" > > ...but they themselves do it often. How's your/my investment portfolio > doing? <ugh>. > > Two sides....its all I'm saying. > > It's easy to attack Avery himself, since he has the sometimes dirty job of > communicating board decisions to the membership. I have no idea whether the > whole story is before us or not. I don't think it matters in so far as it > affects my arguments regarding Michael's comments themselves. It does matter > to the larger issue at hand, and I know nothing at all about that. > > Peace everybody. > > BTW: I think all the websites are in error. Didn't I do a 21:xx at some > point?? > > Paul "ohh, THAT was a flash-back, way, way back" Smeulders. > > PS: Hey, if people like links, here's one. Yes, it is suitable to download > at while at work. http://avsquint.bravepages.com/Characters/smeulders2.htm > > > ------------------------------------------------- For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- For list help, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Club Office: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 230-1064 Website: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cyberus.ca/~obcweb Newsletter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------- ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiDo.a2i8p1 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
