> the quickstart application (ojb-blank, with e.g. tutorial1 within) > > This should be runable withount _any_ domain-knowledge (except: > Operating System Basics). > > If a team did not achieve that, then I name it: failure.
What??? OJB is most definately NOT designed for people without any domain knowledge! What use is OJB to someone who doesn't have a decent knowledge of java? None! OJB is only used by end users when it's embedded into some larger application - and they should never know it's using OJB unless there's an ackoledgement of some kind! OJB is targetted at the developers of such applications. A java application developer with no knowledge of java is a fairly useless commodity (i can think of the number of vb/access programmers who know nothing about general programming, sql, etc - and it shows in their work!) This is like saying that you shouldnt need to have driving lessons to drive a car! Madness! I agree that a good introduction to OJB is important, but to be frank, i found the written tutorials and their uncompilled code far more useful than running them! In order to use OJB productively you MUST spend time understanding how it works. Running the tutorial doesnt do that. Your comments regarding the OJB team are very unfair. I wouldnt consider myself part of the 'team' as i do very little towards development of OJB, but i feel angry at your comments. I (and i am sure this goes for the other OJB developers) have a day job, and a life outside of work. I find it almost insulting that you insist on someone mailing you a cvs checkout after several people have pointed out how you can do this yourself, and hopefully learn somthing in the process, without us wasting time doing it for you. Daniel. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
