hello Till
My napp-it storage appliance add-on is currently running and supported
on OmniOS, OpenIndiana Hipster, Solaris and partly ZoL. I would be very
glad to add SmartOS but this would require a mechanism to install
storage services to global zone, load settings like users or (SMB)
groups on powerup from datapool and save them on demand to make them
persistent.
If you ask what I and many users need or want from a free distribution
compared to OpenIndiana, the answer is a Illumos distribution with
stables and long term stables, each based on its own repository with
backported security fixes on the long term stable. This allows to
evaluate a release and use it with the option to add security or
bugfixes without jumping to a newer release with newer features and
possible incompatibilities or new bugs. This is what OmniOS is and for
me this is what I and many users want. My hope is that this will be
based on OI snapshots in future as I do not believe that a second fully
independent community backed Illumos distribution can survice on the
long run. It will only weaken Illumos in case of a failure and OI in the
meantime.
SmartOS with a solid commercial background and one additional community
based Illumos alternative is what I hope for. And the last can only mean
OpenIndiana + stable add-on.
best regards
Gea
Am 18.05.2017 um 18:31 schrieb Till Wegmüller:
Hello Guenther
I would pretty much suggest using OpenIndiana to develop solutions
like napp-it on top of.
Main reason being that appart from certain vlan taging and lx zone
features we have all the technical bells ans whistels that OmniOs and
SmartOS have. We just have some different tools. We use the ones
Solaris used and don't have high level wrappers like vmadm.
If you want to use it to base your napp-it I definately would support
you with what I know about the distribution. I could tell you about
the Image creation system and other stuff. And I'm sure that others
would help out with insights aswell.
What would you need from a Distribution to build your Application on
top? Would be interesting to know.
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Greetings
Till
On 15.05.2017 13:58, Guenther Alka wrote:
*Its time to consider pla**n**B/C ??*
to: omnios-discuss, openindiana-discuss, smartos-discuss
The announcement of OmniTi to cancel OmniOS from now to then is a
real disaster not only for OmniOS users but for the whole Illumos
platform. Many users who want a free Solaris based OS especially in
production environments selected OmniOS as their preferred Illumos
platform mainly with use cases storage and general server applications.
The reasons:*OmniOS=**Up to date Illumos*
+ commercial support option (although way too expensive)
+ own developments like LX zones integration from SmartOS or drivers
+ stables/long term stables with very experienced full time staff
(thanks to Dan and Dale again)
As OmniTi has released a new stable 151022, I/we have some time maybe
to the end of the year unless OmniOS is out of sync with Illumos in a
non tolerable amount. Bugfixes of serious problems may be the case
until then (hope so).
What are the/my options
*Plan A*
Hope for a continuation of OmniOS as a well maintained
community/commercial project with further development, ongoing
stables and bugfixes optionally with some paid contributions under
the umbrella of a firm or at least with some experienced members that
were already resonsible for OmniOS or an Illumos distribution and
that can be trusted for next years.
While I hope for this, I doubt that this is a serious option. I
switched from OpenIndiana to OmniOS three years ago as the OI
community was too weak and development nearly stalled at that time. I
am not interested in a new weak OmniOS community for a distribution
that should be used as a production system. The OmniOS community will
be propably too small forever as we already have the Illumos
community project OpenIndiana nearly identical to OmniOS from
distribution, features and use cases. And a very important thing: The
brand OmniOS has already a very bad name as a dead/failed project in
the press mostly affecting Illumos as well.
*Plan B*
OpenIndiana is a quite established community project for an up to
date Illumos distribution. I would say its nearly identical to OmniOS
beside the missing LX improvements from OmniOS but with an additional
GUI option. I hope to see LX zones upstreamed to Illumos. OpenIndiana
currently offers a rolling development of newest Illumos bits with
snapshots every 6 months but without an additional stable repository
with backported security fixes. Every update give you the newest
Illumos fixes and features but also the newest bugs (ongoing dev,
unstable).
If OmniOS has to become a community project, I undoubtly would prefer
a merge of the two distributions up from next releases. OpenIndiana
with a stable repo for every snapshot and with a repo as development
path would give me what was the main advantage of OmniOS beside
commercial support. Access to such a stable repo optionally under an
OmniOS brand may be even a paid (if affordable) option. Such a merge
would strengthen Illumos at first place but also free OpenSource
distributions like OmniOS and OpenIndiana.
*Plan C*
There is another free Illumos distribution with an enterprise
background suited for datacenter use: SmartOS. It even adds unique
Cloud and virtualisation features like KVM, Solaris zones, Linux
zones and Docker support. As it is running from RAM with everything
important on a datapool it is a very stable/ easy recoverable option
but it lacks some features in the global zone that are required for a
storage server. An additional plus is the pkgin repo with lots of
supported long term stable services.
Using SmartOS would require a mechanism to allow storage services
like SSH, Crossbow, iSCSI, NFS and SMB on the global zone with an
option to save/restore settings from a datapool to be persistent. To
be honest, a SmartOS that is capable to act as a storage appliance
would be my dream option, at least as an additional option. This
would require that SmartOS is not actively hindering this or
preferable is helping to implement a save/restore option for global
zone settings&features.
*Discuss*
But whatever option is coming, end the Illumos fragmentation for the
sake of one strong free community distribution with a solid number of
contributors and one freely available with a commercial background
like SmartOS/ Samsung owned.
Any comments from OmniOS, OI, SmartOS (omnios-discuss,
openindiana-discuss, smartos-discuss) communities?
I have send this to all three lists, so optionally answer all lists
best regards
Gea/ napp-it.org
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