Interesting thoughts (as usual) Eric. Thanks.

I think you are right about 'quality as paramount' being a just a 'strategy'. 
It explains why some designers may consider themselves (and present 
themeselves) as a purveyor of quality, and yet not necessarily provide such 
paramount levels of quality in their own products.  And anyway, i'm not sure 
that the technical quality we are discussing here is really as big a selling 
point as people think. We live in far more interesting times than that. 

If you are only really offering technical quality, then you are maybe pitching 
your products on the wrong side of todays curve. Just like, it's not possible 
to sell music just on the fact that the artist is a virtuoso, or that the music 
was recoded at highest definition. Virtuosity and high definition alone, cannot 
compete against amateurs and / or lo-fi that contains more slippery qualities 
such as soul, excitement, rhythm, emotion, freedom... and the list goes on…  In 
the days before the Music Industry evaporated, the idea that you did not need 
technical expertise at any stage in the music business to succesfully 
distribute music to users and listeners, would have been viewed as idiotic. 
Technology has now made that idiotic idea a very normal way for people to make, 
distribute, use and listen to music. On top of that, despite the askew claims 
of a few like David Byrne, the creativity, choice and variety, of music 
available to everyone now is enormous, compared to the days when the Music 
Industry was the big gatekeeper of what we could listen to. The same has 
started happening with type design, just as it has done / will do with many 
other commercial sectors.

What i would say to also bear in mind is that as more and more 'non-experts' 
and 'amateurs' join the ranks of the design world, then even the 
designer-as-the-target-client changes for the type industry. The user swarm is 
very quickly filling the design industries too. I think i see evidence that the 
creative and design comminities are generally moving more away from finding 
meaning in the 'quality as paramount' strategy, and more towards finding 
paramount meaning in any stuff that really keeps them the right side of the 
creative curve. And it's not due to a lowering of standards or non-education, 
it's the opposite; people are maybe becoming more sophisticated, fine-tuned, 
and discriminating in their tastes as they become exposed to more and more 
alternative narratives of what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.

-vernon



On 18 Oct 2013, at 01:57, Eric Schrijver <e...@authoritism.net> wrote:

> I went to the ATypI, and it was an interesting experience. What I found 
> remarkable, is the pervasive idea that graphic designers know nothing about 
> type. A well known Dutch designer explained me: ‘nowadays, there is only one 
> way designers can really intervene in a font, and that is by changing the 
> spacing (tracking, leading). And when I look at contemporary magazines, I see 
> they manage to mess that up! Imagine what will happen if one allows them more 
> possibilities.’
> 
> Type design is a funny business. The ATypI style type design thinking, is to 
> conceive of the type designer as an artist, who creates a finished work. 
> Except, they have the misfortune, that compared to other artistic fields, 
> this work can only exist if it is re-used. And it will be re-used by people 
> who are deemed to be incompetent—the artist is misunderstood!
> 
> It is kind of like going to a conference of stock photographers. They all 
> claim magazine editors know nothing about photography. They keep cropping!
> 
> As a graphic designer, as Raphaël rightly points out, this is of course a 
> frustrating argument. The typographic community claims designers do not know 
> ‘quality’, whereas we might simply not always be interested in their sense of 
> quality. There are design jobs in which you need a clean, evenly spaced, well 
> balanced typeface, and their might be a job for which you need something more 
> rough, immediate and unpolished.
> 
> And because both kinds of design aesthetic continue to exist in modern 
> design, traditional type design skills will stay valuable. Except, like 
> Vernon says, type designers need to understand that a top down model where 
> they push a selected, curated set of typefaces on the world does not exist 
> (and has never existed, not since the internet at least), and that they can 
> not really get away with being so elitist as to postulate that no-one 
> understands type.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eric
> 
> PS The concept of ‘quality’ as paramount, is of course, a strategy— Ricardo 
> Lafuente is onto something when he borrows Fred Smeijers’ terminology, to 
> describe type designers efforts to separate type designers into “true” type 
> designers and mere font tweakers [1]. I wrote some more about the economic 
> reasoning traditionalist conception of type on my blog [2].
> 
> [1] 
> http://ospublish.constantvzw.org/blog/typo/appropriation-and-type-before-and-today
> [2] 
> http://i.liketightpants.net/and/no-one-starts-from-scratch-type-design-and-the-logic-of-the-fork

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