Ah, I should have checked archive page https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-August/thread.html
oh, shame... 2011/8/4 Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <nomura.mak...@googlemail.com> > Thank you for telling me, and sorry for duplicate posting. > I remember I have clicked "post" at least ten times, but you only have 5 > copies. > > Just for reference, can you tell me each header of each copy? > > # I suspect I can't post from synonym addresses or another another names > than I have registered... > # One of them should have kanji name on it, if I have succeeded in posting > every times. > > > 2011/8/4 Melanie <mela...@t-data.com> > >> Please only post once. You don't get a copy of your own emails and I >> have five copies by now. If you want a copy of your own emails you >> would have to change that setting. Normally your emails are not >> echoed to you. >> >> Melanie >> >> On 03/08/2011 19:43, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote: >> > Sorry if I have posted again and again - I can't still see my post in my >> > mail client... I remember I have clicked "sent" at least ten times >> before I >> > received the mail from dahila. >> > >> >>Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting >> adding >> > pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which >> > describe OpenSimulator? >> > >> > We are considering "refactoring" of wiki as a whole. Each contents won't >> be >> > changed for now, just the moving of existing page would be the start >> point. >> > Old page will maybe redirected, if actually move on. >> > >> > >> > 2011/8/4 Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrim...@gmail.com> >> > >> >> Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting >> adding >> >> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which >> >> describe OpenSimulator? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) < >> >> nomura.mak...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm Makopoppo. >> >>> >> >>> In OpenSimulator Wiki, Fritigern told me his idea about dividing wiki >> into >> >>> user parts and developer parts. >> >>> >> >>> >> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time >> >>> >> >>> It would be nice to implement it. And more, I'd like to hear your >> thought >> >>> about wiki future as well, especially if you haven't use OpenSimulator >> wiki >> >>> ever or recently. (This is rather my personal activity than as a wiki >> admin >> >>> job) >> >>> >> >>> Here is my idea about what OpenSimulator wiki will be: >> >>> >> >>> * The definition of "User" >> >>> >> >>> OpenSimulator software, as itself, is a framework for 3D virtual >> >>> environment. It can be included into enterprise systems; i.e. some >> might >> >>> want to bundle it into their web servers, groupwares, or such. Some >> wants to >> >>> create their own kins for their use. Some wants to simply use this >> >>> distribution out-of-the-box. Some doesn't want to own their sims, just >> wants >> >>> to connect to them from their viewers. All of them are "Users". They >> will be >> >>> categorized into three types: >> >>> >> >>> Client Users: Who connects to (or logins to) OpenSimulator-based grids >> >>> with their viewer, websites, or some other possible methods. They >> don't need >> >>> any computer-specific knowledges, they can be teenagers, or even >> infants. >> >>> Documentation for them might be out of focus of OpenSimulator project, >> it is >> >>> rather client vendor's area, but having minimal instruction and links >> to >> >>> their document for further information is not so bad idea. >> >>> >> >>> Grid Users: Who connects their OpenSimulator-based regions to >> >>> OpenSimulator-based grids, or just using it standalone. They needs >> minimal >> >>> knowledge of operation systems, databases, or some other related >> softwares >> >>> such as web servers to run their own simulators. Since there are >> already >> >>> many resources for them, and especially for personal use, kins >> projects >> >>> doing great job to make clear documents, maintain them and providing >> support >> >>> for years. We can encourage or help them to improve their documents, >> such >> >>> as, providing link list to their pages, or bollowing their article >> with huge >> >>> credits. >> >>> >> >>> Framework Users: Who enhances OpenSimulator software for their use. >> The >> >>> purpose varies amongst each other, from personal use to enterprise >> use. For >> >>> example, the person who implements *Module, script functions, >> connectors or >> >>> such. To say in another word, who using OpenSimulator as a framework. >> I >> >>> personally think that one of the role of our OpenSimulator core >> project is >> >>> provider of the best documentation for them. And I know currently we >> don't >> >>> have enough documents for them, or if exists, it hasn't been >> maintenanced >> >>> for years. >> >>> >> >>> So, who will be the "Developers"? It will be the contributors who >> >>> contributes OpenSimulator framework itself. They should know OpenSim >> >>> internal architectures, implementing guidelines, or licensing matters. >> Some >> >>> experts can understand them only by reading codes (yikes!), but it >> would be >> >>> nice to have such documents, if we can keep updating them forever. >> >>> >> >>> * Possible Wiki Structure >> >>> >> >>> Considering these points above, we can divide the wiki into three >> domains: >> >>> >> >>> http://opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Client Users" and "Grid Users" >> >>> http://framework.opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Framework Users" >> >>> http://dev.opensimulator.org/ <-- for the contributors of >> OpenSimulator >> >>> core project (coders, document writers, issue managers, wiki admins) >> >>> >> >>> Although MediaWiki can create namespaces and we can use it for this >> >>> purpose, I feel sub-domaining provides more straight-forward way to >> access >> >>> to them (this is probably because I am an address bar lover). Again, >> this is >> >>> just my idea. >> >>> >> >>> * Should we create anything on our own? >> >>> >> >>> I personally think we don't need to "reinvent the wheel" to create all >> >>> OpenSimulator documentation from the scratch, there are already nice >> >>> documents all around the web. Why not make great use of them? I don't >> mean >> >>> we can copyright violations and bring them all. Instead, it would be >> nice to >> >>> have links to their project websites with simple descriptions about >> their >> >>> project goal or feature on our wiki pages. Or, using their documents >> with >> >>> big credit would be nice too(Cons is duplicated documentation will be >> more >> >>> difficult to maintenance). >> >>> >> >>> I wonder why kin projects (i.e. OSGrids, Inworlds, AuroraSim, …) are >> not >> >>> feathered as kin developers. They are the good OpenSimulator framework >> users >> >>> and the good OpenSimulator "User" documents provider. And communities. >> I >> >>> know there are many other OpenSimulator-forums and many experts >> grandly help >> >>> so-called "noobs". We can encourage and help them to support others in >> their >> >>> community, such as, again, adding link to their forums. Blogs too. I >> came >> >>> here looking at a post in ilibsl blog. I had a parcel in Ener Sounds( >> >>> http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/ is me), and after leaving there, I >> found >> >>> OpenSimulator in another post and tried to use it (to reproduce the >> terrain >> >>> of Ener Sounds in vain lol). That was the start. OpenSimulator >> developers >> >>> including me tends to detailed describe about the architectures, but >> for >> >>> users, the documents created by the users will be helpful. It might be >> not >> >>> the best way, since the users have to access each blogs and forums to >> find >> >>> the answer for their question, but if OpenSimulator core wiki has nice >> >>> directory to find them easily, it can be ideal. (I feel someone might >> have >> >>> suggested the same before, but I can't remember who) >> >>> >> >>> It shouldn't keep contributors from writing such documents in >> >>> OpenSimulator Wiki. Our purpose are varies, so it should be always >> open for >> >>> those who wants to contribute the articles. But if we can create the >> scheme >> >>> of "Mash-up" the OpenSimulator-related documentations, OpenSimulator >> >>> community (includes kin projects, blogs, forums or such) will accurate >> >>> toward mature community as a whole. >> >>> >> >>> Thank you for reading. *Steps down from soapbox* >> >>> Again, comments will be appreciated. >> >>> >> >>> ------ >> >>> >> >>> Makopoppo (Makiko Nomura) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >> >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Opensim-dev mailing list >> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> > >
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