On 08/13/2014 02:33 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > On 8/13/14 11:20 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: >> On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Russell Bryant <rbry...@redhat.com> >> wrote: >>> I disagree. IMO, *expecting* people to travel, potentially across >>> the globe, 4 times a year is an unreasonable expectation, and >>> quite uncharacteristic of open source projects. If we can't figure >>> out a way to have the most important conversations in a way that is >>> inclusive of everyone, we're failing with our processes. >>> >>> By all means, if a subset wants to meet up and make progress on >>> some things, I think that's fine. I don't think anyone think it's >>> not useful. > > Well, it doesn't seem at all excessive to me, given the rate and volume > at which we do things around here. That said, if a significant number of > cores think it's not doable, then I guess that's a data point. > > From what you said above, it sounds like you're okay with the meetings > but not the requirement for cores. I said "expect" above -- is that a > reasonable thing? Expect them to be present, unless they have a reason > not to be there? Reasons could be personal or preference, but hopefully > not "I never come to midcycles because $reason." > >> It’s difficult to compare OpenStack to other open source projects, in >> that it is on such a more massive and high velocity scale than almost >> any others (perhaps the Linux kernel is similar). > > Yeah, I have a hard time justifying anything by comparing us to other > projects. I've been involved with plenty and don't think any of them are > useful data points for what we should or should not do here in terms of > anything related to velocity :)
I think we also need to be careful with not continuing to increase expectations because of velocity. Burnout is a real problem. -- Russell Bryant _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev