I knew all along that this would happen, I just wasn't sure which one of the
big companies it would be. As far as I was concerned (and I definitely am
wrong sometimes) the guys at Orion thought: "Hey we've got a good product,
everyone who lives on the J2EE planet knows that already. Have a deal with
one of the big guys and sell them this wonderful technology that has been
tested thoroughly for free by those very enthusiastic Java geeks!"
Now this is the scary part: "Make Orion unusable by providing partial
implementations for the new stuff in J2EE while providing little or no
support. And since everyone knows Orion has been packaged under another
brand name by some big guy with plenty of resources, they can go to him!
That way, we at Ironflare are making money, the big guy is making money and
everyone is using Orion!"
Well, it probably didn't happen like that, but what gave me concern the most
was the fact that the guys at Orion suddenly became unreachable at a time
and then later came out with a story that they had to reorganise and create
a "real" company - Ironflare. I guess this company was created for the sole
purpose of dealing with those "big guys" who, as it turned out, were
interested in licensing or purchasing Orion.
Well, that said, I bear Ironflare no grudge, on the contrary, I'm proud of
them and think very highly of them! They're free to do whatever they choose
to do and that includes making money and having strange or "capitalistic"
bed fellows like
Or(ion)acle. However, I can't help but wonder which version Oracle got -
1.4.5, 1.5.2 or 2.0!
Paul
PS I must add that I'm happy because one of our clients had insisted on
using Oracle 9iAS. The project is meant to commence in July. I and the guys
at my company had our fears since we knew Oracle wasn't the best J2EE
platform. But now they've got Orion.....
>From: "Reid Hartenbower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Oracle deal
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:36:23 -0700
>
>This is my fear as well, and why I am surprised by the generally favorable
>reactions to this deal.
>What will it mean for Orion, and specifically the licensing. Will
>everything
>still be free, or will Oracle turn Orion into another WebLogic?
>It feels a little like Microsoft just absorbed my favorite development
>environment.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Keith Kwiatek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Oracle deal
>
>
> > I hope this orion + oracle deal is the same as the borland jbuilder +
>oracle
> > jdeveloper deal..... Oracle licensed Jbuilder technology, but Borland
>was
> > still free to take Jbuilder in any direction they wanted, AND oracle was
> > free to take "Jdeveloper" in any direction they wanted. The end result
>is
> > that Jdeveloper is way behind the curve because Oracle always buys
> > technology for which they do not have the ability to maintain.
>MEANWHILE,
> > Jbuilder is doing great and getting better and better....
> >
> > I guess the question is "Just what kinda deal did Ironflare work out
>with
> > Oracle? Did Ironflare get wrapped into a straight-jacket for a few short
> > term buck$ ?"
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 5:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Oracle deal
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What I am interested in is what are the future implications for Orion?
> > > We are about to purchase a license for Orion, but if development on
>Orion
> > > isn't going to be the main focus, where does that leave customers?
> > >
> > >
> > > Julian Doherty
> > > Information Systems Analyst
> > > Education Review Office
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Phillip Ross
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> > Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent by: cc:
> > > owner-orion-interest@orion Subject: Re:
> > Oracle deal
> > > server.com
> > >
> > >
> > > 06/07/01 08:07 AM
> > > Please respond to
> > > Orion-Interest
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been told Oracle's oc4j is orion 1.5.0. And I've also been told
>that
> > > it's
> > > confidental as to how/when/if ironflare will continue to push newer
>builds
> > > of
> > > orion to Oracle or what.
> > >
> > > - Phillip
> > >
> > > --- Bryan Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app
> > > server.
> > > > Does anyone know the specifics of the deal? Specifically I wanted
>to
> > > know
> > > > what version of Orion they are using, and if there would be any
>benefit
> > > to
> > > > future versions of Orion.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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