GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into Edge Mode (IE8) – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of that.
_____ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too many people. I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated. There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11. You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”. Wish it wasn’t so. Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our web site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us. Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a few…it also inspires competition and innovation. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, <anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com> wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin <david.burs...@gmail.com> wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship <http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR> . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie <neale.n...@gmail.com> wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to "make it go away" because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, "Ken Schaefer" <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, <anthonyatsmall...@mail.com> wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: [OT] Copy & Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
