--- On Sun, 7/10/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> > Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <i...@vt.edu>, pd-list@iem.at > Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 7:25 PM > > On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> > wrote: > > > >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> > >> Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots > of new editing > >> features > >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancs...@yahoo.com> > >> Cc: "Ivica Ico Bukvic" <i...@vt.edu>, pd-list@iem.at > >> Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:38 PM > >> > >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:48 AM, Jonathan Wilkes > wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Sat, 7/9/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner > <h...@at.or.at> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> [...] > >>> > >>>> The problem with forks is if improvements > don't > >> migrate > >>>> upstream. > >>> > >>> I think it's both a problem-with and a > cause-of. > >> > >> Yup, that makes sense. > >> > >>>> Then we don't benefit from sharing the > >>>> fixes. Making things migrate > upstream takes > >> time in > >>>> itself. > >>> > >>> How does one figure out who has the > responsibility to > >> make sure > >>> things migrate upstream (for example: > [initbang] and > >> [closebang])? > >> > >> Mostly by someone deciding its important enough > that they > >> want to work > >> on it themself, and then lots of testing and > >> communication. > > > > Ok. So in patch id#2838176, what is Guenter's > idea for a clean > > implementation of tooltips that you were referring > to? I didn't > > find anything on the user or dev list. > > Hmm, I can't remember what Günter's proposal was, but I do > have a > vague idea of how to do it cleanly. I think it should > be similar to > the way its done in Max/MSP. Basically there is a > standard function, > something like nlet_info(), which returns the tooltip > info. Where would one define the standard function? > Pd would > then check whether an object had that function when it > loaded the > binary, and if so register it in the tooltips. This brings up an issue I've been wondering about since learning a little more about the canvas editor: why does the pd gui send 'motion' messages to pd? Why not, for example, just have a tag for an inlet rectangle and bind <Enter> and <Leave> to it? Then you'd only be sending messages from the gui for the events you care about, instead of tons of "motion" messages that don't trigger anything. -Jonathan > > .hc > > > >>>> Try getting a patch into the Linux > kernel, > >>>> that'll make Pd seem like cake ;-) > >>> > >>> Yes, I would hope that making changes to the > core of > >> the largest > >>> free software project in the history of > computing is a > >> wee bit more > >>> difficult than making changes to Pd. > >> > >> Actually, there are much bigger projects than > Linux, things > >> like > >> Debian are quite a bit larger in scale. > > > > I read a white paper on total development cost of a > linux distro and > > just remembered "linux". I think the distro in > the paper was Fedora > > 9, which was estimated to be almost an order of > magnitude more > > expensive than the Linux kernel. > > > > -Jonathan > > > >> > >> .hc > >> > >>> > >>> -Jonathan > >>> > >>>> > >>>> .hc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -Jonathan > >>>>> > >>>>>> And > >>>>>> anything assigned to Miller and > reviewed > >>>> positively by > >>>>>> IOhannes I'm > >>>>>> going to defer any action on until > Miller > >>>> responds. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> .hc > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Jonathan > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Pd-list@iem.at > >>>>>>>> mailing list > >>>>>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and > account-management > >> -> > >>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> "[T]he greatest purveyor of violence in > the world > >> today > >>>> [is] my own government." - Martin Luther > King, > >> Jr. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://at.or.at/hans/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The arc of history bends towards justice. > - Dr. Martin Luther > King, Jr. > > > _______________________________________________ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list