Well, you're not using any tcl/tk if you're using libpd in ofxPd. The blame 
falls elsewhere.

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Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
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On Feb 28, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Billy Stiltner <billy.stilt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it's the overhead of the os that gets in the way, i started to try ofxpd but 
> found ofxui to be slow as all getout with my old machine.
> what would be nice is someone fixing tcltk
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic <i...@vt.edu> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> For instance, it seems like there are two main concerns floating around: 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> a) multiple instances of pd
>> 
>> b) separating GUI from core
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would add a c) here which is what pd-l2ork has been doing, namely getting 
>> rid of all known bugs and streamlining experience until it reaches a level 
>> of stability where issues are a rare occurrence. My take is that refactoring 
>> becomes a lot easier at that point because one will have a much better idea 
>> what components should look like. Otherwise, fixing things post-refactor 
>> will net in even more headaches where two parts may end-up being potentially 
>> out of sync with each other, resulting in a broken app.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are other suggestions like platform-specific vectorization and 
>> multi-threaded support, but if you try to do these at the same time, you 
>> reduce the chance of ever getting the code back into vanilla.  They can be 
>> taken on after.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> IMO, the best thing to do going forward for a) would be to sync up with 
>> Miller and what he netted out with last time this was discussed ( see 
>> thread: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2013-12/019702.html). It 
>> seemed like he was proposing to take a hefty chunk of the work on, or maybe 
>> if he is confident in merely the approach, someone else can have a go at it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Having been on this list for quite a few years, I know of only one person 
>> who was allowed to significantly contribute/alter the core and that was 
>> Hans. And even that amounted to mainly cleaning up tk code to make it more 
>> legible (yes, this is a gross oversimplification, there was 
>> internationalization, console verbosity, and many other little things, but 
>> in general the brunt of the work was lateral in nature).
>> 
>> 
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