So is mine but I am doing much to bring it down (mot saying you are not). 2011/3/15 Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com>: > Ecki, > Then it's time to look to yourself. > How much bigger is your energy footprint than your grandfather's was? > Mine is surely much bigger. > Regards, Bob S. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:48 AM, eckinator <eckina...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Bob, there is a rule in IT operations that says "whenever someone >> becomes indispensable [you must] fire them right away [before their >> damage potential gets even greater]". if there are no good >> alternatives to dangerous nuclear power plants, i.e. no safe nuclear >> power plants, then the world will have to do without nuclear power >> plants altogether or at least make an effort to do so. We can't just >> keep building new ones and pretend we're aware of the risks (well >> they're NOT risks but FACTS) and feverishly looking for a way out of >> that technological dead end. Not to mention that Uranium is running >> low so the price of nuclear energy is going to go up, not down. There >> are alternatives and I'll prefer any of them no matter what other ill >> effects they may harbour. and besides, the best alternative is to cut >> down consumption. In Germany there are presently two nuclear plants >> running exclusively to feed the goddamn STANDBY circuitry of home and >> office electronics. I don't want to see the world go down the drain >> because some fatass needs a FUCKING STANDBY LED on their bloody 42" >> couch potato illumination!!! >> >> 2011/3/15 Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com>: >>> Ecki, >>> It's not the learning from the thing, but the doing that's at fault. >>> Nobody has found good alternatives... >>> Regards, Bob S. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:06 AM, eckinator <eckina...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> INES level is up to 6 from 4 now according to French ASN. Chernobyl >>>> was 7. The situation is different in that Fukushima 1 (Daiichi) is not >>>> graphite moderated so there can be no graphite fire but a steam >>>> explosion isn't so bad either. All 6 blocks in varying degrees trouble >>>> now, at least 200 tons of "spent"fuel rods in cooling basins outside >>>> the containments, a broken containment in block 2, radiation levels >>>> too high in the control room etc... One expert named Mycle Schneider >>>> was quoted saying all being done now was "palliative". Oh, and two >>>> block cooling failures in Fukushima 2 (Daini) yet to evolve. Tokai and >>>> Onagawa look safe so far. Speaking of safe, French Sarkozy just >>>> announced there will be no stop to French nuclear plans as French >>>> reactors are (quote) ten times safer than those in Japan. Same from a >>>> number of other countries or to a similar vein. Fukushima Daiichi was >>>> built using a 60s GE design and hasn't been upgraded much since. So >>>> much for lessons learned from Chernobyl. Not even the Wallmann valves >>>> were redundant apparently. And Tepco was involved in a number of cover >>>> up scandals including forged maintenance docs. >>>> >>>> It scares the living daylights out of me to think that noone seems to >>>> learn a thing from this. No matter how safe you make a nuke plant, you >>>> can never reach 100% and any failure of this order of magnitude will >>>> have similar effects. And it will happen again. Probably still in my >>>> lifetime. >>>> >>>> 2011/3/15 Boris Liberman <bori...@gmail.com>: >>>>> On 3/15/2011 1:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A friend of mine who is a Nuclear Physicist, and lives in Los Alamos, >>>>>> read and vetted the original post in this series, which has been >>>>>> moved to the MIT Nuclear Science and Engineering website: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://mitnse.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Larry. Bookmarked. >>>>> >>>>> Boris >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. >
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