I had a little old lady bring in one of those disposable cameras when I was running the photo-lab. It was all male nudes.

She told me she was a painter & had just come back from a trip to Europe. I guess it was an opportunity to find models she couldn't find locally (Raleigh not being as cosmopolitan as Rome or Amsterdam).

Fortunately, she brought it in while I was there & not while some of my more fundamentalistly uptight co-workers were operating the lab.

On 11/24/2013 9:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
As a footnote to this, female artists who portray the human body choose to 
celebrate the female form by a wide margin. A woman friend who works in oils 
once told me that she finds the curves of a woman's body much more inspiring. 
She much prefers males for other purposes. Your crusade is political correctness
run amok. Try to get free of the liberal leash.

Paul via phone

On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:35 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote:

What makes you think I haven't protested museums and galleries?

Besides, just because another venue objectifies females doesn't mean it should 
be done here.

And there are surely many reasons other than beauty to portray the male form. 
Power, athleticism, eroticism, are they not valid reasons?

Not that I accept your statement that female forms are more beautiful than 
male. That strikes as pure opinion not backed by any facts whatsoever. How 
could it be anything other than opinion?

Keep in mind that the art world, from artists to curators to gallery owners to 
purchasers is male-dominated.

Cheers,
frank

Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
Mature male bodies simply aren't as attractive as female bodies. Art
history weighs heavily in favor of the female form. Perhaps you should
mount a protest at the Met.

Paul via phone

On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:14 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote:

The catalyst for this little missive, I must admit, is Bruce's recent
series of NSFW semi-nudes. That being said, it's not directed
specifically to or at Bruce. It's more a comment on the whole female
nude thing. Others have posted similar photos in the past and likely
will do so again.

My problem, of course, is the objectification of women. And it's not
because they're sexualized by showing "dirty parts". It's because
there's such a huge disparity between male nudes and female nudes.

As in: there has never been a male nude shown here (that I've seen in
some thirteen years). I don't believe I've ever seen a penis here.

A couple of years ago someone posted a few photos that appeared to
have been semi-erotic (but not nude) gay pin-ups. The only comment I
recall was something to the effect that, "all I see here is gay
soft-core porn".

No comments about the technical aspects of the shots, the nice light,
nothing. I stand accused and guilty myself.

I only mention that because there seems to be a double standard here:
it's okay to show female sexuality but not male. And I wonder why?

I understand that an individual photographer will say, "But I don't
want to photograph male nudes. As a straight male I just don't
appreciate male nudity, erotic or otherwise. It's my right to choose to
photograph only female nudes."

Fair enough.

And yes, the female nudes shown here have been tasteful and
relatively discreet. Nothing gratuitous.

But here's the rub: showing genitalia and breasts is sexual. It
sexualizes the women. Even if they consent to it they are being
portrayed in such a way that shows them as primarily sexual persons
which takes away from other aspects of their being.

I know that sexuality is a part of our adult lives.

However until there is some balance between portrayal of the genders
I can't support female nudes. Because until that happens females will
be sexualized and males won't be. And I just don't think that's right.

I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting female nudes. But I won't
encourage it by commenting (except in the rarest of circumstances).

In closing, I'm no prude. And I'm sure I'll be accused of spouting
the politically correct lefty party line. So be it.

What I'm really doing is expressing my personal opinion. Thanks for
you indulgence.

Cheers,
frank


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