Yes, there is already a movement afoot and maybe more than one, and all of the things you mentioned are being considered or coming under consideration. If you'll give me two or three days to get some information together for you on this in a systematic way, I'll try to convey to you and others on the list who may be interested in this sort of project a definite idea of what is being and might be done and what you might be able to do to help and also to get your own ideas on this. It will take a collaborative effort to do it and there are indeed shortcuts that can be taken to get it moving, I believe. But bear with me for just a couple of days so I can figure out how to organize the discussion effectively without interfering with the normal discussion function of the list. I should say, perhaps, that the people at Harvard won't be of any special help at this particular time, but there are contacts with the Peirce Society that will be to the point.
Joe Ransdell . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" <peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) So, who are the we who need how to get the money? I mean, are there already people working on getting things digitalized? SO yes, 80.000 pages is a lot. But I can hardly imagine it would cost more than 1 dollar per page or so to get it digitalized? And should be able to do that job within 2 years or so? With more people and some more equipment, some months?? Yes and maybe special lightning. But still not milliard dollar I suppose?? I think it is first of all needed to get exact figures about what such digitalization of only the Peirce pages at Harvard would cost. The camera's "we" would probably be able to just borrow or get from some good supplier of this stuff. And time to do so decreasing it to just put more persons on the job. I myself would be willing to think about ways to get this done. As it also interests me a lot. And it is just important that this happens as soon as possible. Does anyone here have contact info for the Charles Peirce Society. And any other foundation or society working on encouragement of study/communication of Charles Sander Peirce. And maybe some good contact address at Harvard, the people there responsible for the Peirce collection. Kind regards, Wilfred -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 21:33 Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Wilfred and the list: The MS pages reproduced here are from photocopies of photocopies of the manuscripts which constitute Peirce's Nachlass ("literary remains") insofar as Harvard has possession of them. They are located in the Harvard Library, not in the Philosophy Department, and there are 80,000 or more pages of them, still largely unpublished. (There are several tens of thousands of pages more than that elsewhere, by the say, but the bulk of the philosophical stuff is largely in the Harvard collections. Since a lot of the manuscripts have been rotting away for years, the librarians aren't eager for people to poke around in them and there has to be some special and persuasive reason to get permission to do so at this time. They ought, of course, to be digitized with high res color cameras and special lighting that minimizes the effects of the scanning on them and plans are supposedly in the offing to do that -- along with a vast quantity of other holdings there in the library which they want to digitize. We may all be dead before they get around to it -- unless, of course, some benevolent patron with a spare million dollars or so does what he or she ought to be doing with his or her money; but you don't find a whole lot of them around these days who don't already have other things they want to support. Know anyone smart enough, wealthy enough, and moral enough to understand the value of doing this sort of thing for Peirce? If so let me know and I can assure you it will be done. Ask the U.S. government for it? Sorry, but what with the need for the manufacture and development of ever more fearsome weapons of mass destruction, for the financing of covert armies, and for the destruction of foreign governments in the interest of spreading freedom and religious salvation to the grateful survivors, American taxpayers -- or at least their supposed representatives -- aren't much inclined to support such frivolous enterprises as this at this time. But speaking less facetiously, the digitization of the MS material so that the originals can be retired from use and the digitized material made generally available is an enormous task, far more difficult than one might at first suppose. One complication that has to be taken into account stems from the fact that the people who were supposed to take good care of his work after Peirce's death in 1914 -- the people in the philosophy department at Harvard -- savaged it dreadfully over the course of the many decades when they were its "stewards", leaving it in appalling disorder by the time it was finally rescued from them several decades after his death. Consequently, a major part of the problem in making that material generally available lies in the fact that it is still badly disordered even now, after several more decades of attempts to sort it out with use of the photocopies. This is highly labor-intensive intellectual work. There are plans afoot for doing all of these and other things as well, but it requires money even to get a start on doing all of this. As I said, let us know if you know where to get it. Joe Ransdell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" <peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Ok..so...are these actual original notes of Peirce to be found at Harvard? And can they be reviewed by scholars? If so I would be interested to go there maybe some time and review it. Better to have seen it first hand. Peirce is getting my attention more and more :-) Is there actually some good overview of where to find what materials as original as possible notes and so on from Charles Sander Peirce? And any money available from institutions for thorough research? Wilfred -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Benjamin Udell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 20:02 Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2) Image came through beautifully! Look carefully at the MS799.2 triangle of boxes and you can that the numbers are change from an earlier set of numbers. I originally thought that the little earlier numeral "8" was an extra numeral "3" CURRENT: 1 ~ 5 ~ 8 ~ 10 ~ 2 ~ 6 ~ 9 ~~ 3 ~ 7 ~~~ 4 EARLIER: 1 ~ 2 ~ 3 ~ 4 ~ 5 ~ 6 ~ 7 ~~ 8 ~ 9 ~~~ 10 Best, Ben --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16-6-2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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