I am appalled by the intolerance shown against one member of this group. I always pride ourselves on the left as tolerant, democracy loving, multiracial and multicultural people who entertain different thoughts whether those thoughts we agree or not. We are not a monolithic group, first. And secondly, there is no place for AD HOMINEM arguments here. This medium is a platform to debate ideas and issues, whether those ideas are to our liking or not. If we don't agree with those ideas, at least courtesy requires that we try to disprove or be quiet. But don't prevent others to read or be exposed to them. Nobody has god-giving role to decide what we should read and what we should not. Let us not become like religious right to censor the media whether it is print, TV or internet. As the saying goes: "treat others as you would have them treat you." Or if you find some piece to be offensive, you have a choice of not reading, just like switching TV channels. But, don't deny other for the opportunity to read and discuss. I have been observing postings on PEN-L for quite long time and the group have discussed wide variety of issues. Why some of us can't now discuss the issues that Shawgi Tell raises if desired so. Shawgi does not force anybody to read or discuss his postings. Or is it that some of us have more privilege to choose what topics to be discussed? I have a grave concern for the narrow-mindedness and such narrow-mindedness has no place here. Let us act like mature intellects. Fikret Ceyhun ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +Fikret Ceyhun voice: (701)777-3348 work + +Dept. of Economics (701)772-5135 home + +Univ. of North Dakota fax: (701)777-5099 + +University Station, Box 8369 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + +Grand Forks, ND 58202/USA + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++