I generally agree with Peter Burns' comments on this topic, 
except that he overgeneralized a bit too much from the relatively 
painless and violence-free "velvet revolution" of the former 
Czechoslovakia. (Albania or Rumania, for example, were quite 
different.)
     
Concerning socialism from below, Fikret says:>>As we know it, no 
such [successful] revolution has ever occurred [against 
capitalism]. No regime wants to transfer power to its opposite 
peacefully and democratically. They (existing regimes) put 
precautionary measures in place to prevent it from happening. 
Advance[d] capitalist countries have de-jure and de-facto 
institutions in place, so it is unlikely to organize the 
oppressed to unseat the oppressors. <<
     
I generally agree with the above (as amended, in brackets). But the 
issue of the need for military force -- or violence in general -- 
to the overthrow existing capitalist mode of production is a 
_different issue_ from that of socialism from below vs. socialism 
from above.
     
(1) a military effort to overthrow capitalism is more effective to 
the extent that this effort is enthusiastically supported by the 
"grassroots," i.e., the oppressed. Less violence is needed. 

In fact, with serious popular support for revolution (as in the 
1917 Russian rev.), the government's armed forces can fall apart, 
in that they rely on soldiers with social ties to the population. A 
less complete process of the collapse of the military machine 
occurred in the US during the Viet Nam war. 
     
A military effort without such grassroots support leans heavily in 
the Unabomber or Weather Underground direction. That is, it is at 
best silly. Most people on the left know this: that's why we 
(including I) do not advocate military putsches, do not advocate 
the forcible overthrow of the US government. Any strategy that 
begins with military means is bound to lose, especially in the 
sense of liberating people. 
     
(2) A military effort that enlists the population and empowers 
them to help in the fight will be more effective. This is simply 
because there will be more people involved.
     
(3) A military effort that does not do so also threatens to create 
the military as a new elite. In Algeria, for example, the more 
popularly-based domestic guerrilla war lost out (due to French 
efforts) but the external army under Boumoudienne won. So who do 
you think ended up running the country?
     
A long process of the development of grass-roots democratic 
organizations among the oppressed means that when and if the 
capitalist governement falls, there will be some sort of 
organization to take its place and run society rather than the 
military or the vanguard party's bureaucracy. These grass-roots 
organizations of what the bolsheviks termed "dual power" can also 
arise "spontaneously" as the old order crumbles. But they really 
don't arise spontaneously, as much as culminate what E.P. Thompson 
termed the "development of the working class."
     
We have to remmber that that the military is organized in a 
hierarchical and dictatorial way. Hierarchy and dictatorship are 
not socialist, at least in the sense of socialism that I endorse.
     
>>In the Third World, the obstacles are even more. So, naturally 
arm[ed] revolution, not ballot-box revolution becomes the only 
viable alternative for the oppressed majority, who begin to use 
every opportunity and means to topple the oppressive regime.<<
     
I wasn't talking about a ballot-box revolution. 
     
>>Usually, a minority of the oppressed initiates the revolution 
(arm-revolution) and others voluntarily or involuntarily joins 
the movement. Since we do not expect spontaneous uprisings, like 
prairie fires, what do we call for this revolution? The 
revolution to be from below or above does not depend on who 
initiates or who starts it, rather how the decisions are being 
made at every step and once it becomes a successful revolution 
how it continues. That is, how democratic it is. If the 
transitional state empowers the masses toward self-government 
and moves toward more egalitarian society by eliminating the 
oppression (i.e., wage-labor), then we can say that the 
socialist revolution is "from below." Any other has to be a 
revolution from above, by them and for them.<<
     
Sure (though I don't understand the last sentence), but we have 
to be careful: often a small group _says_ that it represents the 
workers and other oppressed groups. But it may subsitute itself 
as a bunch of new bosses to replace the old ones. Getting rid of 
wage labor isn't enough: it might be replaced by slave labor, as 
with Pol Pot.

for socialism from below,

Jim Devine      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Los Angeles, CA (the city of your future: the city of 
smog, earthquakes, fires, floods, civil disturbances, OJ, 
the Menendi, and Heidi (daughter of our nephew's pediatrician) 
Fleiss). 


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