Max Sawicky asked, >If students who pay for some type of education are not >customers, what are they? Suckers? Apprentices in the process of coming to know what they know. It may sound pretentious (not to mention paradoxical), but people can't be taught anything they don't already know. In agreement with Paulo Freire and Myles Horton, I see the teacher's role as helping students to discover the value and meaning of what they already know from practical experience and to learn to reflect and build on those insights instead of feeling subservient to the pronouncements of experts. Often students do see themselves as "customers" who are paying for the commodity that they have been told is education. This so-called education requires no ethical commitment from the customer and it involves no personal transformation. A better word for it would be a "franchise in a package of cliches". The cliches are worthless but in the perverse world of inflated credentials and disdain for genuine learning they may, by sheer chance, realize a greater exchange value than any quantity of knowledge or wisdom. Usually, though, the cliches are totally depreciated by the time the student drives them out of the showroom. Regards, Tom Walker ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ knoW Ware Communications | Vancouver, B.C., CANADA | "Only in mediocre art [EMAIL PROTECTED] | does life unfold as fate." (604) 669-3286 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The TimeWork Web: http://mindlink.net/knowware/worksite.htm