I would agree with Jim.  While Michael may feel that the issue has 
been debated sufficiently, I am somewhat disturbed by the 
superficial analysis of market socialism that passes for critical 
thought on this list.  As someone who has worked for the past 15 
years in Jugoslavia and, most intensively, in Slovenia, I am 
dismayed by the level of discourse on workers' self-management, 
labour based economies, Jugoslav economic history, the theory 
and practice of market socialism etc.  Quite frankly, I would not 
accept what is presented on this list at a second year level.  I think 
Justin may well be encouraged to drop the subject , but not 
because he is going over old ground, but because it appears that 
everyone's mind is made up and they have no intention of being 
influenced by fact or argument.If anyone seriously wants to debate 
the theory of market socialism I think they should look at the basic 
literature.  At risk of appearing arrogant on this, one place they 
might begin is my and Jim Stoddard's contribution on market 
socialism to the Encyclopedia of Political Economy.  But please, 
the level of debate so far is hardly complimentary to the list.

Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba

> I agree with Christian. I do not see any reason to restrict Justin's
> contributions, .... I think the main job of the moderator is not to
> restrict the content of discussion but the tone (avoiding flame-wars and the
> like). 
> 
 
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:52 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [PEN-L:27920] Re: Repitition and Market Socialism
> > 
> > 
> > >Here's my suggestion for Justin. Let's stipulate that 
> > everything you said so
> > far is true.  Do you have anything to add -- something that you
> > have not already said?  If not, the discussion is finished.  
> > If you have
> > something new to add, let's hear it.<
> > 
> > This is pathetic, Michael. Having been on this list for a few 
> > years, I can
> > only think of a few instances in which people have really 
> > "moved conversations
> > along," on this standard. Besides, so what if debates don't 
> > generate anything
> > new for you? Isn't possible that people _learn_ through 
> > repetition? The
> > members of this list have talked almost incessantly about 
> > "the current crisis"
> > or whatever for at least the last 4 years, and yet you can 
> > never seem to get
> > enough of that. My point is not that this isn't 
> > worthwhile--just the opposite.
> > But it's true for Justin, too. If people weren't really 
> > interested, they just
> > wouldn't bother. Give the list some credit.
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
> 

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