Zimmerman was the US embassador to Yugoslavia at the time of 
the breakup of the country.  The various parties met at Lisbon in 
Portugal to devise a  formula for cantonization of Bosnia on the 
Swiss model.  This was agreed to.  Zimmerman, on behalf of the 
US informed/advised the Muslims (Izobegovic) not to agree 
because they (the muslims) "could have it all" and not share power 
with the other ethnic groups ( who, together, formed a majority of 
the population of Bosnia-Herzigovina).  So it was Zimmerman and 
the US which fomented and encouraged the civil war in Bosnia ( 
and ultimantely in Kosova).  How anyone could accept this man's 
interpretation of history is beyond me.  Aggh!

Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba

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> This afternoon on U.S. National Public Radio, I heard one of the main
> news-readers, Robert Segal, interview an establishmentarian fellow who'd
> written a book about the 1898 U.S. imperalist war against Spain, which
> led
> to the Spanish-American war and the U.S. conquest of Cuba, the
> Philipines,
> Guam, etc.
> Ian writes:
> 
> Would the person below be the culprit?
> 
> FIRST GREAT TRIUMPH
> How Five Americans Made Their Country a World Power
> By Warren Zimmermann
> Illustrated. 562 pages. Farrar, Straus & Giroux. $30.
> 
> ...
> 
> If the Cuban and Philippine revolutions against Spanish rule ''had
> succeeded
> even in the absence of American support, as would probably have been the
> case, two weak independent countries would have emerged as a prey to
> domestic division and foreign penetration,'' Mr. Zimmermann contends.
> Mr.
> Zimmermann is not blind either to the costs of empire, including the
> heritage of animosity toward the United States in Cuba, or to the racist
> impulsiveness of the more ardent members of the imperialist camp. But in
> the
> end, he is an enthusiast for Roosevelt, Lodge and company, believing
> that
> the American rise to power is what preserved the world from Nazism and
> Communism, and that without the five men under his purview, our history
> would have been different and not as good.
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> yeah, that's him. He's worse than I thought.
> Jim
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> <P><FONT SIZE=2>This afternoon on U.S. National Public Radio, I heard one of the 
>main</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>news-readers, Robert Segal, interview an establishmentarian fellow 
>who'd</FONT>

> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>written a book about the 1898 U.S. imperalist war against Spain, 
>which</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>led</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the Spanish-American war and the U.S. conquest of Cuba, 
>the</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Philipines,</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Guam, etc.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Ian writes:</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Would the person below be the culprit?</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>FIRST GREAT TRIUMPH</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>How Five Americans Made Their Country a World Power</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>By Warren Zimmermann</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Illustrated. 562 pages. Farrar, Straus &amp; Giroux. $30.</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>...</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>If the Cuban and Philippine revolutions against Spanish rule 
>''had</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>succeeded</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>even in the absence of American support, as would probably have 
>been the</FONT>

> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>case, two weak independent countries would have emerged as a prey 
>to</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>domestic division and foreign penetration,'' Mr. Zimmermann 
>contends.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Mr.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Zimmermann is not blind either to the costs of empire, including 
>the</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>heritage of animosity toward the United States in Cuba, or to the 
>racist</FONT>

> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>impulsiveness of the more ardent members of the imperialist camp. 
>But in</FONT>

> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>end, he is an enthusiast for Roosevelt, Lodge and company, 
>believing</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>that</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the American rise to power is what preserved the world from Nazism 
>and</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Communism, and that without the five men under his purview, our 
>history</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>would have been different and not as good.</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----------</FONT>
> </P>
> 
> <P><FONT SIZE=2>yeah, that's him. He's worse than I thought.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Jim</FONT>
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