Doug Henwood wrote:
Time magazine????

Jealous? :-)

... I'd thought your mailer was configured to respond to you rather than PEN-L, so I re-sent to the list manually. I was wrong, and I'm sorry. At least neither of us was confessing to a plushie fetish.

No worries, mate, no harm done.

... I'm sorry the Sweet Crude filmmaker didn't teach you much,
What are you talking about? I watched the film, interviewed her, and quoted you material from the film's website. There was little or nothing of the sort of oil in the soil business in it.

She didn't teach you Environmental Rights Action's move from NIMBY to climate justice via Oilwatch, that much is evident. Really, such a move is something to celebrate Doug, not to deny. I don't understand you sometimes, comrade, you're such a stubborn cynic that it blocks progress.

but there are plenty of other resources if you put your mind to "Leaving fossil fuels in the ground" - not everything tomorrow, obviously, but as a strategic multi-decade objective along the lines Ivonne and Nnimmo have been doing, along with Alaskan and Californians preventing tundra and offshore drilling, and First Nation Canadians at the Alberta tarsands, and anti-coal activists from West Virginia to Britain to South Africa to Australia and so many others - is the only way to save our species. Why can't you get that?
My first instinct would be a "fuck you,"

Well that's the problem, isn't it. Can you not do something about that first instinct of yours? It's not worthy of you, comrade. Wouldn't a better first instinct be to celebrate the people who have sufficient foresight to try to save the planet for Ivan, eh?

but that wouldn't be constructive. I don't think there's any more urgent task than getting off fossil fuels

Great, there we go now. Join us, comrade!

and switching to renewable forms of energy. But these sorts of maximalist rhymed slogans won't get us there.

Of course they will, if they're backed by activism. When we were trying to access AIDS medicines in 1999, the best slogan we had was "Al Gore's Greed Kills African Babies!" - a slogan that when it appeared behind his head on a placard in July-August 1999 when he was running for prez in NH, Philly and TN, caused him to do a 180 degree U-turn because the slogan was so damaging that it outweighed the benefits of $2.3 million he was receiving for the campaign from Big Pharma. Slogans help!

And if you know better activists on this issue than the two I've introduced you to, please say. If you don't, what are you waiting for - get them on your radio show, comrade.

It's loopy to talk about leaving coal and oil in the ground in any large-scale way.

No man, it's species-suicidal to NOT leave the coal and oil in the ground in any large-scale way.

So sure, call us loopy today, but if we succeed you and your descendants will be damn glad someone is doing this activism now.

Drilling offshore, or in national parks, or developing the Alberta tar sands - all insane. But what next? How to get from A to B? By jetting around the international do-gooder conference circuit issuing communiques to no real effect?

Those jetting to Copenhagen with Seattle in mind next week will have a positive impact, surely you'd agree? Otherwise you want the banksters to game the climate through the carbon market, as Obama, the EU, the World Bank and the UN have in mind?

I bet if you asked people in oil-producing countries to choose between:
A) Extracting the oil as cleanly as possible and using the proceeds to build schools and clinics and provide electricity, or
B) Leave it in the ground
A) would win in a landslide.

Well Doug, let's try option C), the most reasonable given history:

C) Letting your country continue to suffer from such a resource-curse that the more nonrenewable resources you extract, the worse dictatorship you suffer under and the poorer you are in per capita wealth (as the World Bank's 2006 book Where is the Wealth of Nations demonstrates by correcting GDP for environmental factors).

So C wins in reality, pretty much everywhere. Hence A) and B) should win in a landslide. But since A) isn't feasible due to C), then let's go with B), ok?

Maybe I'm wrong, and if you can prove it I'll accept the proof, but I doubt you could.

Right, this is not something you poll the masses about. So instead, look to the leading organisations, like ERA in Port Harcourt and Accion Ecologica in Quito and yes, here in South Durban, the South Durban Community and Environmental Alliance (suffering the highest asthma rates ever recorded in a primary school next to SA's largest petro-chemical complex).

You're often writing about the inability of Eskom to deliver electricity in SA, and the struggles of the poor to hook up to the grid. What are they supposed to power their plants with?

The easy answer, aside from solar/wind/tidal/wave: the coal that we are trying hard to redirect from the biggest mining/metals companies in the world. Since those folks currently off-grid would add about 3% to the grid at the level of consumption we recommend - 100 free kWh per person per month - and we hope to redirect around 10% of the coal that fires electricity for the minerals-energy complex in the short term (even the deputy transport minister endorsed this idea last week, it makes so much sense), then we've got a net gain. What else is needed? Getting the mining/metals workforce reemployed doing equally well-paid Green Jobs such as the construction and installation/maintenance of solar-powered hot water heaters. That's the basic strategy, what's wrong with it? (We've been saying this quite some time now; you aren't reading your daily SA feed, I guess.)

Over the longer term, solar, wind, tidal, and modalities yet uninvented. But for the immediate future, it's got to be carbon.

And to make the immediate future last into the medium term, we've got to cut carbon. How can you possibly disagree?

Over the years, I've watched you embrace the whole "civil society" discourse with enthusiasm.

No you haven't; give me some proof that I am biased to civilised society. You may be glancing too quickly over the communiques, but look closely and you'll see that the South African 'Centre for Civil Society' (a name inherited) is actively promoting uncivil society. If for some reason, you have failed to notice this, just check the top of our homepage - http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs - which is our Social Protest Observatory.

I never fully understood what that was all about - I'm sure it's not Hegel's original definition of civil society, which is a horribly brutish thing. The best definition I can come up with is that culture where bunch of philanthropy-funded NGOs claim to speak authentically for The People, without any evidence that they actually do. The only mechanism of accountability for these organizations is to their foundation program officers.

That's because you're simply not paying any attention, are you comrade. We debate accountability relationships constantly.

I doubt you could get many Venezuelans to sign onto this agenda.

Hopefully they're moving from the pre-1998 period focused on active protest in uncivil society - most notably the IMF Riot in March 1989 which radicalised Hugo Chavez at the expense of 1000 deaths - to eco-socialism. We asked them, last year during a visit, 'Comrades, can you keep the oil in the soil?' Chavez's environmental advisors said, in effect, 'Go away companero, we're building petro-socialism'. (Mike L. will remember and smile.)

So we failed there, and in email communications with you. But we'll keep trying. There's really no other viable strategy, is there.


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