Sounds good.  And in that case (OB Tools at the end of the list), I urge
serious attention to having a notifier.  Learning from history, and all
that.

Bill






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>>> a...@netstyle.ch 12/21/08 5:31 PM >>>
Here is an answer for "what is Pharo?"

There will be two images:
"Pharo-Core": the image in which the development of Pharo takes place
"Pharo": the image to develop your application with (= "Pharo-Core" +  
IDE tools [1])

"Pharo" is the image that will be officially shipped (packaged as a  
one-click image). "Pharo-Core" on the other hand will be important for  
deployment as it has a low memory footprint.

Cheers,
Adrian

[1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages


On Dec 21, 2008, at 15:46 , Bill Schwab wrote:

> Lukas,
>
> You are correct to question "what is Pharo?"  We cannot hope to ensure
> that everything anyone ever does with Pharo will work - those kinds of
> promises are made only during political campaigns :)  But, note the
> recent discussion of package integrity.  It should be as easy as
> possible to install anything one wants, but the things that Pharo
> invites the user to install should be solid.  Certainly, the  
> development
> tools should fall into that category.
>
> For example, I have a love/hate relationship with the RB, but I
> certainly hope to see it integrated into Pharo.  But given a choice
> between a polished presentation of the RB commands and a stable  
> system,
> I'll go for the stable system.  We should have both.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: bsch...@anest.ufl.edu
> Tel: (352) 273-6785
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
>>>> reng...@gmail.com 12/21/08 3:07 AM >>>
>> My understanding is that the OB tool set is the presumptive choice  
>> for
>> Pharo - unless I'm wrong, that makes this a Pharo related topic, if
> only
>> to reopen the choice in light of your position.
>
> I don't know which is the official Pharo image? There is a plain one
> without any extras loaded that the Pharo team uses for their releases,
> and then there is one with additional tools loaded by Damien that also
> contains OB-Tools.
>
>> Do as you want, but
>> Object Arts had this idea and very quickly decided the simpler
> notifier
>> had a very essential role.  They left the option, activated the
> notifier
>> by default, and strongly warned against deactivating it.  That was
> based
>> on being bitten by the kinds of concerns I have documented here.
>
> Don't get me wrong. Feel free to add this preference and the
> additional dialog, but don't expect me to do it:
>
>  http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/2008-August/000580.html
>
> Lukas
>
> -- 
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