Stef, Where does one go to sign up? I am not certain that Alien is appropriate or necessary to make a solid socket foundation, but I am certain that the existing code is very sub-optimal and needs a real jolt. If we are serious about fixing it (Linux, Windows and Mac), I am serious about helping.
Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.duca...@inria.fr] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:09 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Sockets in Pharo CollaborActive Book > Stef, Noury, > > Thanks for doing this, and for the preview! > > Sometimes being a good friend means getting tough, and it's time for that. > You are doing a great job of writing up how to create poorly designed socket > applications. They are poorly designed because of what we inherit from > Squeak. Servers should not listen for a time period; they need to listen > until told otherwise, and trigger events (notifications if preferred) when a > client tries to connect, at which point a dedicated process accepts the > connection - that process more or less is the server. Clients should try to > connect and read until told otherwise, either by a watchdog thread or by a > user. Nothing should block in either case except the calling Smalltalk > Process. If a client program does not hang because of a non-responsive > server, an interacting user has the opportunity to hit a cancel button and > put an end to wasted effort, or a watchdog can run and similarly #erminate > the offending thread. John pointed us to a kind of socket that raises events on data. Our problem is that we do not have manpower for that. > IMHO, we should not direct energy at documenting the current state of > sockets; we should do the few remaining things to get something that really > works. At the same time, we should try as much as possible to allow IrDA and > OpenSSL to appear as options. Noury and luc started to rewrite sockets using Alien and people can help. Nothing will happen magically :) > > Bill _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
