I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
Furthermore, the nice thing is that we can reuse the Morphic widgets in Glamour. Cheers, Doru On 13 Mar 2011, at 11:09, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Tudor/Ben, did you think about "rewrting" the new UI tools like Recent >> Messages, Finder, etc...using Glamour ? > > > With Ben we are targeting removing StringHolder, so we will rewrite some > tools (but not in Glamour) > to make sure that we can work without glamour and make sure that we can get > rid of StringHolder and friends. > In parallel if people make Glamour working well and fully then at some point > it could be the ide for Pharo > but we need some fallbacks and we will be working on that with Ben. > > Stef > > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> +1000 Great initiative and most welcomed. >> And as you said, even if you don't do most, a planing, coordination >> and bugging people around helps as well :) >> >> On 12 March 2011 08:25, Tudor Girba <tudor.gi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I would like to promote the idea of projects in Pharo. The concept is >>> simple: we should build new infrastructures that go beyond small fixes and >>> that require the concerted work of multiple people over a longer period of >>> time. >>> >>> A project has a clear goal, and is led by someone. That someone is not >>> necessarily the one that writes all the code (like we might tend to do it), >>> but simply one that ensures that the project advances, that the different >>> contributions are integrated, and that things are not left at 90%. >>> >>> I would like to announce the Glamorous Tool project. The goal of this >>> project is to provide a new set of tools for developing with Pharo. It is >>> to be developed on top of Glamour, and it should address at least the >>> followings: >>> - Coder (ex-System Browser) >>> - Debugger >>> - Inspector >>> - Playground (ex-Workspace - it's not called Workspace anymore because I >>> would like to encourage people not to "work" there) >>> - Chaser (senders, implementors and references) >>> >>> The project spans several topics. For example: >>> - Glamour support >>> - Morphic enhancements: >>> --- Proper TextMorph with keybindings and context sensitiveness >>> --- Collapsable Panes >>> --- Scalable tabs >>> --- Parallel rendering >>> - Suitable models >>> --- RPackage >>> --- Code introspection >>> --- Debugger model >>> - Testing >>> --- Because these tools are so critical, they should be robust >>> --- OB is a good example for the testing part >>> - Usability >>> --- Principle: Spawning a window might be easy, but it is not effective >>> --- Principle: Uniformity >>> --- Principle: Less concepts are better than many >>> - Graphic design of skins and icons >> >> >>> - Weak announcements >> >> you can make it bold (or what else you do to mark that it is done and >> ready to be integrated :) >> >>> - Performance >>> >>> >>> I will lead it, and you are welcome to participate. The today sprint is a >>> good occasion to take a look. The current code can be found at: >>> >>> Gofer new >>> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; >>> load. >>> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Some battles are better lost than fought."
