It seems there is some confusion, at least on my part, regarding the finishes on DD reproducers and horn necks, etc. Obviously there is no question what is gold or nickel. Oxidized bronze is another question. What the company called oxidized bronze was the finish used up until the very end of production, even used on the C-1 and C-2 combinations. A very early DD finish may also seem to be called oxidized bronze by some. This has a body that is almost black with copper markings, somewhat like tiger markings. Is this what some refer to as oxidized bronze? Was this used on the early A-250 and is this is what's on Andy's machine? Does this color have a name different from "oxidized bronze"? If I had to come up with a name for it, it would be 'oxidized tiger bronze'. (that's what it looks like to me:-) Thanks in advance for clearing this up for me. Bruce From gpaul2...@aol.com Sat Jun 23 11:11:51 2007 From: gpaul2...@aol.com (gpaul2...@aol.com) Date: Sat Jun 23 11:12:54 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] DD Metal Finishes In-Reply-To: <000a01c7b5a9$257abe10$af9bb...@vaio> References: <000a01c7b5a9$257abe10$af9bb...@vaio> Message-ID: <8c983d91b5e4ddf-1644-d...@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com>
Bruce, The Edison catalogs described the finish of the metal parts on the Amberola IA/IB, Idelia, A-150, etc as "oxidized bronze." You point out that "This has a body that is almost black with copper markings, somewhat like tiger markings." Edison literature called it "oxidized bronze," so that's what I have always called it. I have observed collectors refer to "gunmetal" as "oxidized bronze" and apply the name to other metal finishes as well. It's no wonder some confusion exists! George Paul ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From pjfra...@alamedanet.net Sat Jun 23 12:02:34 2007 From: pjfra...@alamedanet.net (Peter Fraser) Date: Sat Jun 23 12:05:44 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] the early a-250 References: <bae519f8-7d62-4007-a215-4a706ae57...@mac.com> Message-ID: <4a4d2598-ff3a-4ec6-91eb-5c0a51870...@alamedanet.net> Hi - Well, I heard back from Ron Dethlefson, and enclose his response below. And here are the pictures of Andy's machine, plus some additional oxidozed bronze hardware pix from Bruce Mercer: http://homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html the password is "pook2e" (no quotes). For large-scale versions of the pix, use the slideshow button, or single-click the individual shot in which you're interested. Cheers, Peter pjfra...@alamedanet.net Begin forwarded message: > From: ronald dethlefson <r2d...@pacbell.net> > Date: June 23, 2007 9:53:26 AM PDT > To: Peter Fraser <pjfra...@mac.com> > Subject: Re: pictures of the early a-250 > > Nephew, > > Yes, the stop mechanism shown is the first one. It's the same as > on my A-250 #161. I've seen these mechanisms on #158 and #171. > They probably were on the first 200 A250s manufactured in late > 1912, according to Frow. A250s through #1200 were manufactured by > March 1913, again according to Frow. The sound vents in the sides > of the cabinets ended about #1200 too. I suspect that the stop > mechanism was changed due to some patent issue. So much of the > factory documentation was destroyed in the Dec. 1914 fire that the > only way to document changes in Model A pnonographs is to look at > the machines themselves. At least we now know that the first stop > mechanism, was in use into the 1400 range of serial numbers. > > One other Model A tidbit. I've never seen a Model A 250 numbered > lower than #109. This leads me to suspect that serial numbers > began with 100. The highest Model A 250 serial number I've ever > seen was in the mid-12,000 range of numbers. > > Regards, Uncle > On Jun 22, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > >> <Early_A_250_levers.jpg> >> >> Early_A_250_levers >> >> >> <Later_A-250_controls.jpg> >> >> Later_A-250_controls >> >> >> <A_250_bedplate_detail.jpg> >> >> A_250_bedplate_detail >> >> >> -- Peter >> pjfra...@mac.com >
