Does this review still include all the bizarre restrictions and and character assessments that he had imposed?
For a while he required people to send copies of their utility bills as "proof" of residence and identity. Bizarre only starts to describe it. Glad to hear someone more reasonable has taken over the reins. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Mar 12, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayne holznagel <ethanu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Folks, > I usually try to stay out of the negative message threads. However, > in this case I should clear up a few things > Each of the phonograph chat groups has something to offer. The > individual collector has to decide which answers their needs the > most. I happen to participate in a couple incl phono-l and > phonolist. It is the individual members and their postiive > contributions to the hobby that can make or break a list. Just my > two bits. > Paul is alive and well. I have traded emails with him . . . most > recently a few months ago. I have the pleasure of reviewing the > applications to phonolist. Have been doing so since the end of last > year. There are many new members. Usually I suggest to the new > collectors that there is a great advantage to joining more than one > internet group . . . as well as a group such as MAPS or CAPS. I > also encourage the new collectors to participate in discussions > about phonographs as everyone has something to offer. > Many of you know of me. Some of you may even count me as one of > your friends. It's a great hobby and perhaps instead of the > negatives . . . we should each try to emphasize the positive if we > want the hobby to continue to be rewarding for new collectors. > Again, just my two bits. > Happy Collecting. > > <:)> > Wayne H > > > My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Thu Mar 12 17:25:32 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:25:37 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum In-Reply-To: <590818.709...@web111401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <677862960.6317761236903932848.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Thanks Wayne for you continuing work in support and devotion to our hobby, and thanks for clearing this whole thing up about the reports of Paul's demise. Talk to you soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne holznagel" <ethanu...@yahoo.com> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:01:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Hello Folks, I usually try to stay out of the negative message threads. However, in this case I should clear up a few things Each of the phonograph chat groups has something to offer. The individual collector has to decide which answers their needs the most. I happen to participate in a couple incl phono-l and phonolist. It is the individual members and their postiive contributions to the hobby that can make or break a list. Just my two bits. Paul is alive and well. I have traded emails with him . . . most recently a few months ago. I have the pleasure of reviewing the applications to phonolist. Have been doing so since the end of last year. There are many new members. Usually I suggest to the new collectors that there is a great advantage to joining more than one internet group . . . as well as a group such as MAPS or CAPS. I also encourage the new collectors to participate in discussions about phonographs as everyone has something to offer. Many of you know of me. Some of you may even count me as one of your friends. It's a great hobby and perhaps instead of the negatives . . . we should each try to emphasize the positive if we want the hobby to continue to be rewarding for new collectors. Again, just my two bits. Happy Collecting. <:)> Wayne H My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From bruce78...@comcast.net Thu Mar 12 17:28:22 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Thu Mar 12 17:28:27 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem In-Reply-To: <9d1c08a1-2f4d-4160-b5fa-116a60582...@fuse.net> Message-ID: <1508234195.6318711236904102773.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Yes the new leader Wayne is a great guy, and one of the most generous and caring Phono collectors I know, and one of our regulars on the Phono-L forum every Saturday night. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Nichol" <jnic...@fuse.net> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:41:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem Paul could not possibly have died in 2005. I believe it was only last year that someone contacted him by phone, and talked Paul into setting him up to administer Phonolist. The new guy (who's name completely escapes me) is doing a great job running Phonolist now. New members appear fairly often, since it is a Yahoo group (and thus easy to find). As far as I know, Paul still NEVER checks in. Jim On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: > > That's not how others have heard it. Have you got some more direct > info? > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 1:26 PM, "Ron L" <lhera...@bu.edu> wrote: > >> Different guy. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >> ] On >> Behalf Of Peter Fraser >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:52 PM >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >> >> Nope, he's been dead since 2005. You can verify it on the Social >> Security Death Index (google "SSDI" to find it), plus he hasn't >> posted >> on the list (or board or listserv or whatever), or responded to any >> requests since that time. The cat part isn't as easy to verify but >> every time I've been told of his death that's been part of the story. >> Happens a lot when lonely people with pets die and nobody finds them >> for a while. >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:55 AM, "Ron L" <lhera...@bu.edu> wrote: >> >>> I don't think he's talking about phonolist which is a mailing list >>> and not a >>> message board. Phonolist was and is Paul's list. He made the rules >>> and >>> worked hard to keep the list spam/spammer free. Yes it was a PITA >>> to get on >>> the list. Then he got busy with work. He is still alive and it is >>> still >>> HIS list. However, someone else is helping him check out new >>> applicants, so >>> there is little wait time to get on the list, and it is still spam >>> free. >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >>> ] On >>> Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:55 PM >>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >>> >>> I'd say poetic justice, but that's too cruel. >>> ------Original Message------ >>> From: Peter Fraser >>> Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2009 7:50 PM >>> >>> Are you talking about that a-hole Paul Something-or-other of >>> phonolist? He abandoned them for a few years, effectively >>> shutting it >>> to any membership changes...and I heard he later was found dead in >>> his >>> manhattan hovel, partially eaten by his cats. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- Peter >>> pjfra...@mac.com >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:50 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: >>> >>>> Hopefully it replaced the one where this crazy old coot thought he >>>> was the end all be all of phonograph board leaders. If you said >>>> anything he didn't agree with, you got flamed like crazy. Once he >>>> called me all these names off list and some on list. That was the >>>> only phono guy I could say I hate. He was a vicious, rabid dog who >>>> regularly victimized board contributors. >>>> ------Original Message------ >>>> From: DanKj >>>> Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >>>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>>> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >>>> Sent: Mar 11, 2009 5:35 PM >>>> >>>> Seems to be so many of these messageboards, now .... which one did >>>> this >>>> replace, if any? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Daniel Melvin" <d...@old-phonographs.com> >>>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:01 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono forum problem >>>> >>>> >>>>> Try this... >>>>> >>>>> http://victrolagramophones.proboards.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Mar 12 18:24:29 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Thu Mar 12 18:24:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! In-Reply-To: <564151.43393...@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <683090.92977...@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So if my utter lack of luck holds out here, I don't suppose anyone has a Vic III bracket to trade for a Vic V/VI bracket.....? --- On Thu, 3/12/09, harvey kravitz <harveykrav...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: harvey kravitz <harveykrav...@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 4:22 PM Jay is correct. The tone arm for Victors III, IV and V are the same. The tone arm for the VI is also the same, but gold plated. The V and VI back bracket is shorter than the III to accommodate the larger cabinet and 12" turntable. The Victor III is longer to accommodate the smaller case and 10" turntable. I suggest that you advertise for a Victor III back bracket. Harvey Kravitz --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Jay Horenstein <jay.horenst...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Jay Horenstein <jay.horenst...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:28 PM I purchased a gorgeous Vic V at a show once, and when I got it home I noticed that the tone arm came up about one inch too short. I called Tim Fabizio thinking I needed a different one. He told me that all the tone arms are pretty much the same, and explained the whole back bracket thing. I sure hope you find what you need, Jay -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john9...@pacbell.net Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:09 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! That's right, the V has 12 inches... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Jay Horenstein" <jay.horenst...@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:39:32 To: 'Antique Phonograph List'<phono-l@oldcrank.org> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! The larger machines (like with twelve inch turn tables) used a shorter back bracket so the tone arm wouldn't come up short of the spindle, And would track correctly. Jay -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:49 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! I swear I am going to chop this Vic III to BITS....I am so frustrated... I got this Vic III a couple of year ago. Nice machine. It had a Vic IV horn, which I sold and then purchased a really nice Victor III horn. I finally took it to sell at a GSPS meeting. Someone pointed out that the beck bracket and tonearm were from a Victor II. I took it off the market because I didn't want to be dishonest and say it was all original. I searched and searched and found a kind person who traded me the Vic II bracket, arm and elbow (and a small amount of cash) for a Vic III bracket and arm (no elbow). The bracket has new decals, but looks ok. The II arm had lost most of the decals. Also the new tonearm looks great. Except for one thing. It is too long. I don't know what it is from - it is obviously a Victor outside horn tonearm, but if I line it up to the center of the spindle and put the reproduce down, the needle touches down about an inch out front of the spindle, instead of on center which it should do. I am about at the end of my rope. I've spent a lot of time and money to the point where I will have to keep this for awhile til values go up - as is I would need $2400 for it. Anybody got a true Vic III tonearm that they can send me the measurements to? Anybody got a true Vic III/IV/V tonearm available??? Save me!!!! 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Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.11/1997 - Release Date: 3/12/2009 10:38 AM _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From lo...@oldcrank.com Thu Mar 12 19:14:13 2009 From: lo...@oldcrank.com (Loran Hughes) Date: Thu Mar 12 19:14:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum In-Reply-To: <677862960.6317761236903932848.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <677862960.6317761236903932848.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <e61a18ce-de44-4271-93b9-ec63e55be...@oldcrank.com> I agree and please can the chatter on Paul. Wayne, perhaps you could set the record straight on membership requirements for Phonolist? Regards, Loran On Mar 12, 2009, at 5:25 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: > Thanks Wayne for you continuing work in support and devotion to our > hobby, and thanks for clearing this whole thing up about the reports > of Paul's demise. Talk to you soon. From john9...@pacbell.net Thu Mar 12 19:45:45 2009 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john9...@pacbell.net) Date: Thu Mar 12 19:45:24 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! Message-ID: <531266134-1236912353-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-13654849...@bxe1293.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Vic III horn is 19" wide, Vic 4 horn is 22" wide. ------Original Message------ From: Albert Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Antique Phonograph List ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! Sent: Mar 12, 2009 12:58 PM What is the difference between a Vic 4 horn and a Vic 3 horn? ----- Original Message ----- From: "john robles" <john9...@pacbell.net> To: <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor III HEEEEEEELP! >I swear I am going to chop this Vic III to BITS....I am so frustrated... > I got this Vic III a couple of year ago. Nice machine. It had a Vic IV > horn, which I sold and then purchased a really nice Victor III horn. I > finally took it to sell at a GSPS meeting. Someone pointed out that the > beck bracket and tonearm were from a Victor II. I took it off the market > because I didn't want to be dishonest and say it was all original. I > searched and searched and found a kind person who traded me the Vic II > bracket, arm and elbow (and a small amount of cash) for a Vic III bracket > and arm (no elbow). The bracket has new decals, but looks ok. The II arm > had lost most of the decals. Also the new tonearm looks great. Except for > one thing. It is too long. I don't know what it is from - it is obviously > a Victor outside horn tonearm, but if I line it up to the center of the > spindle and put the reproduce down, the needle touches down about an inch > out front of the spindle, instead of on center which it should do. > I am about at the end of my rope. I've spent a lot of time and money to > the point where I will have to keep this for awhile til values go up - as > is I would need $2400 for it. > Anybody got a true Vic III tonearm that they can send me the measurements > to? Anybody got a true Vic III/IV/V tonearm available??? Save me!!!! > Thanks > John Robles > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From ethanu...@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 20:21:52 2009 From: ethanu...@yahoo.com (wayne holznagel) Date: Thu Mar 12 20:21:57 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Phono Forum Message-ID: <669667.63724...@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Really, the only requirement is that an id is confimed.? I try to google the id first . . . and generally this works for about half the applicants.? If not, I send a personal email telling the applicant that the only requirement is that an id be confirmed.? Ex:? name, address, phone number, web site or a reference to another list member.? At the same time I share my information with them.? I NEVER share an applicants personal information.? This is done for obvious reasons.? There may be better ways . . . or worse . . . just depends on ones perspective.? I always try to be positive, encouraging and up front.? This sounds like a lot of work but I don't look at it that way.? I am retired now and have the time to devote to the hobby.? Also, personal contact is so much better in the fast paced world, don't you agree? I know that it used to take several weeks for an application to be approved.? I try to contact the new applicant within 24 hours.? Once an id is confirmed it only takes a few seconds to approve the application. Some people want to stay on the fringes and not participate . . and I respect that.? However, when the application is approved I try to let them know that it is much better to be involved.? Even new collectors have something to share. Belonging to two or more chat groups is very important.? Some people prefer one over another but the real key is staying in touch with other collectors. Developing and maintaining a hobby group takes a lot of work.? My hat is off to Loran and Paul . . . the contribution they have made to the hobby is not measureable in dollars and cents.? <:)> Wayne H ? My website is at http://www.phonomantiques.com/ --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Loran Hughes <lo...@oldcrank.com> wrote: From: Loran Hughes <lo...@oldcrank.com> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono Forum To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:14 PM Wayne, perhaps you could set the record straight on membership requirements for Phonolist? Regards, Loran
