I would buy one too! I think a book is a great idea, Steve! Melissa --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Thatcher Graham <thatc...@mediaguide.com> wrote:
From: Thatcher Graham <thatc...@mediaguide.com> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l@oldcrank.org> Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 1:23 PM I second that motion. On 11/7/2011 12:37 PM, David Dazer wrote: > Steve, > When will you write a book? I'd buy one. > Dave > > --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Steven Medved<steve_nor...@msn.com> wrote: > > > From: Steven Medved<steve_nor...@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - and reproducers > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 10:31 AM > > > > A Model G triumph with a mahogany case and horn sold for $8777 on eBay and it > looked nice. > The wooden horn came out around August 1910 and was available as an option > from then on. According to the Frow book the Model F and G triumph came with > the wooden horn but since Edison is the king of variety I am certain there > were exceptions. I am not certain how accurate the Phonograph section of the > Frow book is but the reproducer and recorder section if full of errors and > omissions, mostly omission in the recorder section. Because of the Frow book > the 2 minute sapphire Model B is the most misunderstood reproducer Edison > made. He got the Model N reproducer backwards and does not mention the > trowel N reproducer not to be confused with the N-56. When a reproducer was > made and when it was put on a phonograph and when the phonograph was stamped > with a serial number were not all the same in all cases. At least one > suitcase standard in the 42,000 range was stamped with a serial number after > Feburary 1902 and sent to Canada to be sold with an > automatic reproducer made in the > middle of 1901. This suitcase model does not have the serial numer raised >lug and the serial number is stamped on the nickel ID plate. An one suticase >standard in the 26000 range has he later brass ID plate. You see Model B >homes with decals and the 2/4 minute upgrades, you see standard D's with the >pin striping and an ID plate that does not say combination, you see Model D >standards with the combination ID plate, the home C is found with pinstriping >and decals. You see the maroon gem with the GEM decal on the machine. You >see triumphs with the raised panel not paralles to the base. You see Edison >phonographs with incorrect serial numbers. Home E 994618 is an example of >this the home E is found in the 400,000 range and not that many homes were >made. Also at the end of production runs earlier parts show up which is why >you find the earlier B weights later on. The drilled B weight is found in >both stamped and unstamped > versions. The Frow book says it is not clear > why the B was made and there was never an adjusting arm. The B was armed up > until at least 30,000 and from 40,000 to 110,000 the word reproducer is not > on the B as the top that was made for the arm was used as the reproducer > stamped top came out around 110,000. The armed B is seldom found after > 40,000 but they were made for use on the Edison Bell Duplex and the concert > phonograph. If the B was never armed it would not have been produced before > 110,000. It is easy to see why Frow did not understand the B as in England it > mainly appeared on the Gem, but look at the Standard E which was only > available here and he got that one correct. From 1 to around 17,000 the B > has the arm and no notch. There are two types of tops found. Up until the > mid 6500 range the B top has thin plating with machine marks visible. From > 17,000 to 30,000 the B retained its arm with the notch added. From 40,000 to > 110,000 the B top does not have the word reproducer > and two different tops are found > with the width of the flat around the sound tube and the outside dome >varies and the weight is stamped B. Around 110,000 the weight was drilled and >tapped to accomodate an extra lead weight. From around 150,000 on the B was >given a 2.2 ounce lead or lead alloy weight. The first B has a 1.2 ounce >weight and the C weight varies from 1.2 to 1.3 ounces. It took the 2.2 ounce >weight to have the volume the hanging weight does. The automatic is another >reproducer that is greatly left out. The period of time from 1900 to 1902 is >largely omitted as is the period after the fire. The recorder section is even >worse. 2 and 4 minute recorders were made after the fire as was the CHK. The >diamond B was made into 1926 at least and the last diamond C used the same >casting as the Diamond D. In the summer of 1901 the early B replaced the >automatic and up to serial number 30,000 at least it was used on all Edison >machines. The B got its notch for the > centering pin in the 17,000 range. > The B C and D all had blank weights at first. The C joined in around >25,000, the D around 30,000. The arm appeared on the C sporadically through >1906 even though the new top stamped with reproducer appeared by >110,000. The round weight N appeared first joining the O around 22,000. The >hanging weight is more efficient than the round weight. The ICS amberola 30 >that came with a four minute recorder and the ICS H. Small reproducer tops >went from brass to pot metal to brass. Recorders went from brass to pot metal >to brass to pot metal to brass. The B to K shared serial numbers so just >over 2.12 million were made. The dome top recorder shared serial numbers so >just over 612,000 were made. Up to at least 10,000 the recorder diaphragm was >glass, the first recorder stylus holder was aluminum with tiny arms, it went >to small wings, then to the common shape. The common shape went to copper, >then nickel plated copper. The final > two minute recorder has the same holder as > the four minute. The recessed top recorders, reproducers, and speakers >shared serial numbers and just over 212,000 were made.> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 >17:59:38 -0800 >> From: onatorr...@yahoo.com >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - LOL, LOL >> >> What model Triumph is it? The model F would have come with a Oak Music >> Master cygnet horn but from what I have seen and read about the earlier >> model's D and E came with 11 panel Cygnet horns. They Horn looks great as >> does the machine. >> Kenneth >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Vinyl Visions<vinyl.visi...@live.com> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 8:29 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] RARE Model Triumph - LOL, LOL >> >> >> >> Only $5,250 for this RARE model "Triumph"... >> https://www.solvangantiques.com/store/products-page/phonographs/rare-model-triumph-phonograph/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer ph. 610-578-0800 x214 cell: 484-354-6918 fx. 610-578-0804 Mediaguide 640 Freedom Business Ctr. 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