You are quite correct, Charlie. The degradation in sound is from the dubbing.
Ron. -----Original Message----- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of charles smith Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 12:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Hi Ron: My two cents. Some of the beveled ended BA's sound just as good as the flat tops.Namely all of them up to about 2470 which are still "live". There were also some "live" recordings released sporadically from when dubbing took over until 1928. One Special recording ( the Peerless Minstrels one,I think it's Special H) was re released around 1927 as "An old time minstrel show"! I always enjoy the posts! Best,Charlie. ------------------------------ On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 2:02 PM PST Ron L'Herault wrote: >It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a >black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. > >Ron L > >-----Original Message----- >From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >[mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM >To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion > >Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive >into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? > >Thanks. Great to hear from you. > >Also CCing to the list. > >Sent from my iPhone > >-- Peter >pjfra...@mac.com > >> On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson <r2d...@pacbell.net> wrote: >> >> Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii >> 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are >> listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these >> records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who >> bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July >> 1910. No >more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it >was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections >issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. >> >> Best regards, Ron >> On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: >> >> This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. >> >> Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet >> for >the Special Amberols, directly below. >> >> They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set >> of >the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. >This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. >> >> Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? >> >> (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- Peter >> pjfra...@mac.com >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Darrell Lehman <nickja...@gmail.com> >>> Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST >>> To: 78-L Mail List <7...@klickitat.78online.com> >>> Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? >>> Reply-To: 78-L Mail List <7...@klickitat.78online.com> >>> >>> If anyone's interested... >>> >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6666461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6666461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6666461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6666461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg >>> ==================================================================== >>> = >>> Ron L'Herault wrote: >>> I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward >>> for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought >>> a machine, you got records as a reward. >>> >>> Ron L >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com >>> [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell >>> Lehman >>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM >>> To: 78-L Mail List >>> Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? >>> >>> The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids >>> though - "Amberol" and "Blue Amberol". >>> >>> >>> Michael Biel wrote: >>>> When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the >>>> Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new >>>> machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were >>>> available only that way. They were "numbered" Special A, Special >>>> B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My >>>> reference books are too low in the pile to check. >>>> >>>> Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? >>>> From: Clifford Bolling <78reco...@cdbpdx.com> >>>> Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm >>>> To: 78-l Online <7...@78online.com> >>>> >>>> I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand >>>> store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog >>>> number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' >>>> >>>> The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL >>>> >>>> What is a SPECIAL B.? >>>> >>>> http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL >>>> -B.JPG >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks! 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