On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 15:59 -0500, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote:
> > The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is
> > because people are buying machines to pirate Windows.  Unfortunately
> > it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they
> > argue it).  So, in general, it's hard to say "how big" in this case, but
> 
> There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT 
> representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to 
> frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China 
> agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO.  Open Source does 
> not have a dog in that fight

No, they're trying to discredit Ubuntu adoption in China by saying it
doesn't exist.  This makes it hard to go to people like ISVs and argue
there's a market for their software if they port it.  That, in turn,
reduces the number of people that can use Ubuntu because it doesn't
support the software that they need.  So, it is unfortunate, but yes I
don't think there is a reasonable way to count the number of users of
truly free software.

                --Ted

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