Cooperative, my ass. My authority is Magnum 357. And by the way, for most of the history of this planet, it always has been, whether an stone age spear or a 21st century missile.
Hank On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, John wrote: > Hank wrote: > "That is wrong John. I own my property" :\you think (and say) so. Just > as the mouse owns that hole under your toilet where it lives. There is a > sequence in the Haggada which can be applied to 'ownership' (it is about > punishment, as far as I know) and at the end it is god with the final > one. Not the interim factors. I translate it to 'ownership' which > finally goes back to the originating nature and NOBODY can own nature > from which we sprang up and live. We can pretend and usurp. You own a > mountain? take it away. The Queen or other fictive potentate did not > 'own' it either to 'donate' it to anyone. Nor a bank. > > Practical world you say: comes with the killing. Is the killer who > killed most and last the real owner? Whom did the ancient Israelis take > the land from? They just came from the desert. Which (later) usurper > overrides the natural law? Did the present 'owner' MAKE that land? Just > questions, I put no consequence on them. > > Contribute to the cooperative, peaceful mutual living and that will make > a rightful living. Unfortunately I cannot tell that to both parties > because the 'other' one does not listen. Nor does this one. John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: (RESH) > To: PNEWS-L@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [PNEWS-L] New Arab Nations > > > > That is wrong John. I own my property. Technically I will cease owning it > when a sink hole opens up and swallows up everything on it. The Spanish > once owned it by land grand from the Queen. We don't borrow it. We own it > because we have legal fee simple to it. Philosophically, you are right, > but we don't live in a philosophical world, we live in a real world. > Israelis own the land they acquire by title from the world's legal body, > the League of Nations which granded the original Mandate which was > thwarted and subverted by the British and barely supported by the U.S. But > they especially own it by taking it after being attacked. They own it to > provide security for those who live on it and consider themselves > Israelis. That is what countries do. They own what they can defend. When > they can no longer defend it they will no longer own it. That must never > happen. > > Hank > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, John wrote: > > > Hank: > > useful historic reminder - or new information. > > I object only to a minor expression you used: > > "...the territory does not belong to the Arabs..." > > > > NO "TERRITORY" belongs to anyone. Just as I cannot "Own" that 100+ > > year old oaktree in my garden. People are living on terrains, lately > > do a dirty job to destroy nature on it, but nature cannot be 'owned' > > by temporary - yes - as you said (negatively): interlopers. > > > > And it cannot solve problems when several (2?)sides repeat one-sided > > aqrguments instead of working on eliminating the differences for a > > common good. This is not addressed to the Israeli part only. Alas, > > there is no "ARAB" forum to say it to them as well. > > > > Then there is the question of survival... > > > > John > > > > From: adar > > To: PNEWS-L@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:54 AM > > Subject: [PNEWS-L] New Arab Nations > > > > > > > And it was not unique in history nor in that time to create nations where > > before there were none. More than 20 Arab countries were then, in that > > time after the Turkish defeat, also created by the UN. But Muslims turned > > down the offer of a division of territory so there could be two states, > > one Palestinian and one Jewish because that would have meant Jews would > be > > sovereign in an area which they all considered their pan-Arabia. > > > > When Jews were expelled with the War of Independence, it was Jordan who > > captured and held the West Bank for 19 years and it was Egypt which > > captured and held on to Gaza. And Egypt and Jordan didn't want those > > territories back when Israel offered it after the war of 67. Arab states > > wanted to keep the "occupied" territories in limbo so they could continue > > to use it as a political propaganda weapon against Israel, which they > have > > very effectively done. > > > > Just as with the refugee issue, the territories are greater value as > > propaganda than it would have been for Egypt and Jordan to take it back. > > > > Arabs who live there were never a government with rights of sovereignty. > > The territories never belonged to anyone during the time the British held > > them under the Mandate to administer the territory and following the > > Ottoman defeat in WWI - not until Jordan and Egypt held the territories > > and now Israel must decide what to do with it, as it has done recently > > with Gaza. > > > > Israel is not as an interloper, and the territory does not belong to the > > Arabs but since 1967 it is "disputed" territory, the disposition of which > > will eventually be decided if and when there is a peace treaty with the > > Palestinian Authority who is said to represent the Arabs there. > > > > MORE: > > http://pnews.org/ArT/ZioN/SeT.shtml > > > > > > Progressive News/Views (since 1982) > > > Yahoo! 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