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Hank Roth, on the InterNUT since 1982 Past (post) Commander Jewish War Veterans * Cryptologist and Voice Security in the White House and in the War Room for JCS at the Pentagon BIO [with pics] http://inyourface.info/bio/ -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- And is it worth the risk? It depends. How much do we value wisdom? What risk is worth knowing the answers to our existence? Answers beyond that which is known about evolutionary survival and reproduction - what life means besides our simple will to live until we die? We have learned a lot in the last few centuries and acquired knowledge exponentially in the last couple of decades. Do we stop now? I don't know that we can. ---------------------------------------------- H O M E - C R Y P T - B I O Inevitable Consequences? The Large Hadron Collider and Due Diligence There is little doubt if the LHC does all that it is supposed to do and strange particles including the Higgs boson are discovered it will be a giant step forward in our understanding of the cosmos. For all that we do know about the universe there is so very much more we do not understand. The test/detector results from the this SUPER-collider will be great and will be extraordinarily exciting. CERN has looked at all of the consequences and most scientists DO NOT expect a catastrophe. But, some (a disproportionate few) do. Some have suggested that cosmic rays bombard the earth and us constantly and we're still here. Protons traveling around in the LHC 11,000 loops in a second - will be over 99% the speed of light. Nothing gets much faster. When protons smash into each other at that speed - close to the speed limit of matter. What will be the best or the worst outcome? The consequences of these collisions may be mini black holes. Tiny black holes grow into very large black holes. There is an accretion disk around a black hole just before the event horizon where visible matter is being sucked into the black hole pulled toward the holes center, its singularity. If the Big Bang is a correct theory the universe which some say is infinite began as very tiny (too small to see) microscopic no-width and no-height dense energy and has been expanding practically ever since. There is a black hole in the middle of every galaxy and some of them are millions of times more massive than our SUN and they continue to grow in size - called (gravitational) accretion. No one has ever seen nor detected one on Earth before but that may change then they crank up the LHC. "One potential method of destruction OF THE PLANET is that the LHC will create tiny black holes that could swallow everything in their path including the planet. In 2002, (physicist) Roberto Casadio at the Universita di Bologna in Italy and a few pals reassured the world that this was not possible because the black holes would decay before they got the chance to do any damage." (lhc-black-holes at physics arXiv blog) The traditional wisdom, an impossible concept in science by the way, HAS BEEN that any black holes created by these proton collisions would decay before they swallow the Earth. Well, now - after thinking about it for several years there are more and more physicists who are having second thoughts about mini-black hole decay. They are saying now, what if the decay does not keep pace with the mBH's (mini-black holes) growth? The point is, they really don't know. Casadio has also changed his mind. He no longer reassure us that black holes will decay faster than they grow. I think we're in deep do do now. "...there is no such thing as "rest" within the center of the Earth: the temperature is 7000 K; the density is 13,000 kg per cubic meter. And, after all, temperature is just an epiphenomenon of moving particles......." (Read this at arXiv.org: "Hole Growth in the Warped Brane-World Scenario at the LHC") "....the effective velocity that an mBH feels while at "rest" within the Earth's core is equivalent to an mBH traveling at just less than the escape velocity of the Earth...." (IBID-arXiv.org) Therefore ACCRETION ALWAYS OUTPACES HAWKING RADIATION (evaporation of the black hole) and thus there is a NET (kilogram scale) growth of the black hole - out-pacing its decay. What would Albert Einstein say? He didn't work on the Atom bomb because he was opposed to war and he was opposed to potential catastrophic devastation from a nuclear fission. He warned of the possibility of a flash-fire of the Earth's atmosphere and a nuclear chain reaction. Here we go again: Nobody knows for sure what will happen when the LHC is turned on and they start smashing particles of protons at full energy. One thing is for sure: Testing under these conditions may be fine. But it may not be. Is this due diligence? And is it worth the risk? It depends. How much do we value wisdom? What risk is worth knowing the answers to our existence? Answers beyond that which is known about evolutionary survival and reproduction - what life means besides our simple will to live until we die? We have learned a lot in the last few centuries and acquired knowledge exponentially in the last couple of decades. Do we stop now? I don't know that we can. How can unfeeling particles give rise to feeling organisms, like us; like other animals - with perception - with emotions - and sentience? I can't help but feel, as I have for as long as I can remember thinking about these things, that life is a cruel joke - to have to endure the pain which accompanies it - and happiness when we think we have it - is ephemeral and most often it eludes us. We spend lifetimes trying to define and find it. Then we die. Major extinctions have wiped out whole species to where what is left is a small fraction of the fittest until the next upheaval, whether it is climatic or a celestial impact or we just kill ourselves by disregarding the obvious truth of our own nature. Why are we here? Dorion Sagan (son of Carl) tells us (in one of his many books about life and death). In Notes From the Holocene, he writes that the the most searched for questions in the Chinese search engine Baidu is "Why are we are alive?" I learned from Dorion's work more about thermodynamics than I was ever taught in school (he wrote an entire book on the subject) - and from my understanding of thermodynamics I know our constituent parts recycle themselves but it appears what is lost is the essence of life, our consciousness [or the Chinese may say conscience] although some day we may have the technology to upload it into a computer - unless that is what we already are, computers or a modeling program on some extraterrestrial or alien computing system. Dorion writes: "The very substance of our bodies comes from and will return to the biosphere when we die." We will disappear; maybe when they turn on the Large Hadron Collider - (or maybe not?) - but major extinction events are common. >From Origins.org: "The classical "Big Five" mass extinctions identified by Raup and Sepkoski (1982) are widely agreed upon as some of the most significant: End Ordovician, Late Devonian, End Permian, End Triassic, and End Cretaceous." And now, we are in the Holocene extinction period. Climate is changing. We will likely not adapt nor be able to alter it in time to have it remain suitable for life as we know it. These and a selection of other extinction events are outlined below: (Origins Quote) 1. 488 million years ago a series of mass extinctions at the Cambrian-Ordovician transition (the Cambrian-Ordovician extinction events) eliminated many brachiopods and conodonts and severely reduced the number of trilobite species. 2. 444 million years ago at the Ordovician-Silurian transition two Ordovician-Silurian extinction events occurred, and together these are ranked by many scientists as the second largest of the five major extinctions in Earth's history in terms of percentage of genera that went extinct. 3. 360 million years ago near the Devonian-Carboniferous transition (the Late Devonian extinction) a prolonged series of extinctions led to the elimination of about 70% of all species. This was not a sudden event the period of decline lasted perhaps as long as 20 million years, and there is evidence for a series of extinction pulses within this period. 4. 251 million years ago at the Permian-Triassic transition Earth's worst mass extinction (the P/Tr or Permian-Triassic extinction event) killed 53% of marine families, 84% of marine genera, about 96% of all marine species and an estimated 70% of land species (including plants, insects, and vertebrate animals). The "Great Dying" had enormous evolutionary significance: on land it ended the dominance of the mammal-like reptiles and created the opportunity for archosaurs and then dinosaurs to become the dominant land vertebrates; in the seas the percentage of animals that were sessile dropped from 67% to 50%. The whole of the late Permian was a difficult time for at least marine life - even before the "Great Dying", the diagram shows a late-Permian level of extinction large enough to qualify for inclusion in the "Big Five". 5. 200 million years ago at the Triassic-Jurassic transition (the Triassic-Jurassic extinction event) about 20% of all marine families as well as most non-dinosaurian archosaurs, most therapsids, and the last of the large amphibians were eliminated. 6. 65 million years ago at the Cretaceous-Paleogene transition (the K/T or Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event) about 50% of all species became extinct. It has great significance for humans because it ended the reign of the dinosaurs and opened the way for mammals to become the dominant land vertebrates; and in the seas it reduced the percentage of sessile animals again, to about 33%. The K/T extinction was rather uneven some groups of organisms became extinct, some suffered heavy losses and some appear to have got off relatively lightly. 6. Present day the Holocene extinction event. A 1998 survey by the American Museum of Natural History found that 70% of biologists view the present era as part of a mass extinction event, possibly one of the fastest ever. Some, such as E. O. Wilson of Harvard University, predict that man's destruction of the biosphere could cause the extinction of one-half of all species in the next 100 years. Research and conservation efforts, such as the IUCN's annual "Red List" of threatened species, all point to an ongoing period of enhanced extinction, though some offer much lower rates and hence longer time scales before the onset of catastrophic damage. The extinction of many megafauna near the end of the most recent ice age is also sometimes considered a part of the Holocene extinction event. (END Quote) Our Solar System is middle aged - and there remains about another 5 billion years of life left in our Earth unless an impact smashes it to pieces or a super collider does it first. Dorion Sagan: "That Earth is a giant living being, perhaps a superior-organism as far beyond us as we are beyond our constituent cells." Jumping Into the Unknown Stevie Smith in TheTechHerald.com wrote -2009-): (QUOTE) Could LHC black holes still carry an Earthly threat? New claims concerning the controversial Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particle accelerator have this week suggested that microscopic black holes created by the gigantic atom-smashing machine could, contrary to official safety reports, will not vanish quite as quickly as they form. Moreover, a group of physicists have scrutinized the mathematic processes involved in operating the 27-kilometer ringed accelerator and determined that any resulting black holes will not simply disappear from existence a mere millisecond after being created, which is the line LHC scientists are holding to. According to Roberto Casadio of the University of Bologna in Italy and Sergio Fabi and Benjamin Harms of the University of Alabama in the United States, miniscule black holes spawned by the collider could exist for up to a second or longer. The physicists believe this length of time, an eternity when it comes to particle physics, could then potentially allow the black holes to struggle for growth increase as opposed to merely decaying in an instant a struggle the teams theoretical model shows they ultimately would not win. While Casadio, Fabi and Harms concede that planet-threatening growth is highly unlikely, with any created black holes passing harmlessly beyond the atmosphere before disappearing completely, they have offered that current safety claims are inaccurate. We conclude that the growth of black holes to catastrophic size does not seem possible, they outlined through a paper posted to scientific discussion forum ArXiv.org. Nonetheless, it remains true that the expected decay times are much longer than is typically predicted by other models. The European Centre for Nuclear Research (CERN) team behind the LHC particle accelerator, which is buried deep under the Swiss/French border, is hoping the mighty machine will enable them to re-create, study, and understand conditions in the universe at the very point of its creation. The Large Hadron Collider, the worlds largest particle accelerator, suffered a mechanical failure when it was officially fired up in the latter half of 2008. Following a frustrating period of repair, CERN scientists are expected to resume smashing protons at velocities approaching the speed of light this coming spring. (UNQUOTE) **** Remarks from SaneScienceOrg **** (QUOTE) Zealous, jealous, Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing groups of billions of heavy subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets, AntiMatter and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena as described below. Particle physicists have run out of ideas and are at a dead end forcing them to take reckless chances with more and more powerful and costly machines to create new and never-seen-before, unstable and unknown matter while Astrophysicists, on the other hand, are advancing science and knowledge on a daily basis making new discoveries in these same areas by observing the universe, not experimenting with it and with your life. Einstein used Astronomy to prove his landmark general theory of relativity that, ironically, describes, among other things, the Black Holes which the LHC is designed to produce at the hoped for rate of one per second. The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rjula in the BBC LHC documentary, 'The Six Billion Dollar Experiment', incredibly admits quote, 'Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don't know what we're doing.' And CERN spokesmodel Brian Cox follows with this stunning quote, 'the LHC is certainly, by far, the biggest jump into the unknown.' The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states: 'There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,...' Again, this is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing' you could not be more wrong. Some people think similarly about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: 'A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals.' The second part of the CERN quote reads '...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,...' A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads '...as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe.' These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the 'God particle', and sacrifice the rest of us with him. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN physicists themselves say) benefits. This quote from National Geographic, 'The hunt for the God particle', exactly sums this 'science' up: 'If all goes right, matter will be transformed by the violent collisions into wads of energy, which will in turn condense back into various intriguing types of particles, some of them never seen before. That's the essence of experimental particle physics: 'You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out.' (END) -- From The Tech Herald What do you suppose will happen? The speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 meters per second. At LHC, protons will smash into each other at 299,792,454.9 meters per second, 99.99999898% the speed of light, Assume all that energy produces black holes. Suppose as protons smash into each other they produce millions of black holes and they all MERGE. Suppose also that Hawking evaporation, which is just as THEORY is false. What do you suppose will happen next? Hank Roth e-mail: epsi...@inyourface.info Related Content All quoting per the Fair Use Doctrine for educational and discussion purposes pursuant to Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, Copyright Law. AddThis Permalink: http://inyourface.info/ArT/Sci/DiL.shtml Today is Wednesday January 27, 2010 G 0 l e m D e s i g n s Hank Roth (on the Internet since 1982) While I don't use a standard blog (weblog software) mostly because I've been doing this too long - having been there with Ike when the precursor to the Internet, Arpanet got started and every step of the way since, I can't get into all the many fads over the years (now it is social networking), but I have been an observer and participant in events which shape the world since my time with NSA and with Army Security and as a voice security cryptologist in the White House for the President, and the War Room at the Pentagon for the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff plus two wars. You could say this site is one of the better kept secrets [grin] on the InterNUT. 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