-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Bill Douglas another criminal spook Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nico Haupt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Gerard Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(ed: David Ray Griffin removed on request) WING TV added, since they will present next week their own "poll" on useful idiots and shills. Original letter to them added below....) Dirty Laundry time continues against the 9/11 truthlings and Chicago conference reptiles? NP for me.. Since i turned into one of the most isolated 9/11 researchers by now, because i spoke out as one of the first on this cointel-pro pattern, let's see what we have on Bill Douglas: -Blackmailing us into changing a message of our 9/11 Banner at ny911truth.org, because some fundings got somehow directed from Kentucky -backstabbing me as a co-founder of ny911truth.org, by hooking up with Nic Levis and other frauds, spook assets or war criminals who infiltrated my group and continued to block "controlled demolition" research for at least one more year.... [911truthalliance] Re: Kyle Hence's research achievements Let's decipher Kyle Hence's latest drivel: "...further attack from an ignorant Holmgren in Australia..." Racist slur. What has the fact of Holmgren being in Australia to do with your argument? "....My work on a variety of issues has been acknowledged, cited, credited, thanked etc. by a number of authors who have written and researched what happened on 9/11...." Which doesn't make your 'work' more valuable or honest, because you received your credits from other Limited Hangouters http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html Limited Hangouter t.b.d. (xplains by itself) "...These books on the subject of 9/11 include Ruppert's /Crossing the Rubicon..." Ruppert is a spook asset and the biggest scammers of this movement as meanwhile every idiot knows. That is nothing worth. He always pushed disinfo and limited hangout at same time. "...Griffin's /The New Pearl Harbor/..." Griffin is a noble man who tried to be kind to get an introduction into this movement. I'm sure he won't mention you in his forthcoming 3rd book. "....Ahmed's /The War on Freedom/..." A hardlinee 9/11 truthling, so called timeliner and supporter of official story, wouldn't wonder if on payroll of MI5 but it doesn't matter. He's also pushing the AQ myth and lies. He stole the words 'history' and 'research'. "...The Big Wedding/ by Sander Hicks..." http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html Candidates A "candidate" is everyone who still believes or pretends to believe in democracy within the U.S. In the worst scenario he is an "e-voting activist", which ignores strong ties between the Pentagon, private military contractors and the e-voting machines. An e-voting activist is talking instead 24/7 about Diebold, "paper" and "printers". "....While I concede I have not published a tremendous amount of original research myself..." We know that already. It was ZERO. "...I have compiled a lot of material from a variety of sources on unansweredquestions.org and at 911citizenswatch.org since June of 2002...." All limited hangout stuff. "...I did extensive research on 'insider trading' and suspicious financial activity surrounding the attacks..." Which is a red herring and represents the limited hangout of 'prior knowledge'. What also about the 9/11 FBI Insider Trading, always blocked by Ruppert. Why, because Ruppert said so?? This was even reported in NY TIMES during May 2003 and the suspects got arrested and evicted. maybe because the brother of one suspect worked at Ruppert's darling Cynthia McKinney, as a mole??? "...published in Global Outlook in 2002...." Yes, a once great magazine before Ian Woods tricked Chussodowski out of the contract and filled it with peak oil BS. "....I've written open letters including one to Richard Clarke...." http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html Clark A "clark" is a limited hangouter, planted into the leftgatekeeper species to create a new false hope guru. The first "Clarks" had been developed by Richard Clarke and Amy Goodman. The Clarks are occasionally in cohut with spooks like Ray Mcovern or other wannabee 9/11 truthlings. "....on the issue of war games..." Wargamer A "wargamer" is someone who read too many Mike Ruppert articles. Very often "wargamers" end up as "peak oil fanatics" or start talking about "global warming" or "alternative energy". They also usually believe in every newsletter of Wayne Madsen (see "Madsen"). The 'wargamers' originally hooked up with the spinners and plagiarized the 'terror drill + wargames research' by ewing2001, to turn it into a limited hangout. NOTE: In some bizarre coincidences, many 'soft wargamers' became members of the GNN community and started to listen to hip hop tracks. "....I've confronted Commissioners personally and repeatedly on a number of issues during the course of Commission hearings..." On which issues? issues which are not worth to explain to us here, because they had been in reality non issues and other limited hangout herrings?? "...I've also attended NIST PR events and raised issues with those subscribing to the official story..." I never saw you over there. But i missed one event. I recall you hung out at their first event. From that time on you never showed up again, while i got my questions on camera and sometimes even non -censored. 9/11 Truthlings do not know what they represent because they're victims of the first wave of brainwash aparatus. Now we have the 2nd or 3rd generation, which are even worse and more brainwashed, because already behaving like a cult around anything and nothing, while the real 9/11 perps still get away with it. Hence is responsible for 9/11 truthling zombies like Jonathan Gold. At least hence had more IQ to get some logical debate going on, bute beware of the 2006.... http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html *"9/11 Truthling Community Guide"* *UQs aka Unanswered Questions* "Unanswered Questions" is a bizarre and also one of the oldest, very dangerous species in 9/11 truthling land, which tried to survive throughout the whole 9/11 truthling evolution since 2001/02. The UQs operate like parasites within many truthlings to behave like a host of the truthlings. The only purpose of the UQs is to contact the 9/11 truthlings to make sure, that none of any of their questions EVER get answered at all. The UQs was once a very popular 9/11 "ueber-tribe" led by Kyle "America isn't ready for the truth" Hence, but then somehow dried out and successfully beaten by other 9/11 truthling tribes. Then during 2005/06 the UQs recovered with a new 9/11 truthling leader named Jonathan Gold. The UQs once again insisted, that it is not of their "business" to find any answers, but ask a lot of questions, until everyone fells asleep or is infected with the 'limited hangout' worm. While Gold insists he is not genetically connected with Hence and only 'spoke with him once or twice', it is apparently the virus of the "Jersey Girls", close to Hence, who convinced Gold to take over the UQs, especially if they have someting to do with the Limited Hangouts (->), or a very nasty sub tribe called "Able Danger Limited Hangouters". These ADL Hangouters claim they have even more unanswered questions than the UQs. Unfortunately for everyone of these UQs, most of these "other questions" are also already answered. However during 2005/06 the 'Unanswered Questions' desperately still try to dominate other 9/11truthlings by asking the same old questions from 2002/03 or developed allegedly new questions, however ALSO already answered. The "unanswered questions" are infected with some very persistent truthling virus and there isn't any effective vaccine against them yet. Though infected and poisoned, the UQs also never seem to die which turned them meanwhile into a kind of superior 'truthling zombies'. The grandfather of these "unanswered questions" is an obscure student called MalcontentX, somehow implying with his nickname that he was the only UQ who ever made some sense. Addendum: Some spooks (->) actually tried to deceive the UQs with some clear answers, among them Karl Schwarz. However the old leader and hardline questioner of the UQs, Kyle Hence, once himself deceived by a spook into the 9/11 truthling movement, fought bitterly against Schwarz until both became meaningless, but the questions remained. It can be expected, that UQ's new leader Jonathan Gold also very soon will be confronted by another yet unknown spook. 9/11 truthling specialists predict that these 'Gold-spooks' might sit in the Pentagon and will be very close to the Able Danger limited hangouters. Maybe Gold will be even turned into a "candidate" (->) to lead some "idiots" for a while or some other bizarre crossover experiments with other community tribes are planned... Rumour also has it that the UQs will start another season of their once very popular 9/11-"REALITY TV" show called "C|Span". Addendum 2: Jon Gold doesnt want to talk about Controlled Demolition. He wants to let others talk for him, which suggests that he might be a "sucker" (->), especially played by the ADL UQs. Gold instead talks frequently about the pentagon, to tell others NOT to talk about it. Gold also appeared to have been very happy when the new penta art frames produced many new so callled 'unanswered questions' and declared this as a "historical day". (Here is a fascinating 'interview' between UQ Jonathan Gold and AD limited hangouter and perp Keith Phucas (Times Herald), which shows that noone of both is winning any argument. More fascinating, they're both asking /these/ questions, which lead to many new questions. Even their voices and 'truth healings' are barely too distinguish. Gold is the one who is slurping his coffee. http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?cat=9998&med=0&ord=Name&strt=5&vid=91&epi=0&typ=0 http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?800.80 http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html and the most important smoking gun, 9/11 TV Fakery is still mostly ignored, sabotage or attacked with hostility and death threats in this movement about "issues". */Gerard Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ah yes, my old mate Bill Douglas, who supported Hence in the view that victims families must not be exposed to any research suggesting govt complicity. I have the correspondence for that too. I wrote to BD, expecting him to be at least disturbed by Henceâs actions, but he supported them fully saying that �no such research was to be made available to the victims families, and his main worry was that I might attack Hence in public for the blocking policy â now that I had finally found out about it. Bill Douglas who cracked the whip over everyone to support that BS about Vreeland. �Bill Douglas who acted as round up boy for CIA plant Ruppert. These three â Dougals, Hence and Ruppert, IMO are the three pivotal spooks who did us over. They �subverted and distracted the good intentions and na�ve trust of hundreds, maybe thousands of well intended people. They spread disinfo and attacked and distroterd good research. I gradually wised up to them over time, breaking the last links in Nov 2003. Some people took longer. Some still havenât caught on. These are the three who worked tirelessly to soak up all that early energy and direct it somewhere harmless. Well done you three. An excellent job. And now we have Kyle âDemolitionâ Hence coming out of the woodwork to attack the next wave of evidence, the no planes evidence. BTW Kyle, I didnât quite catch that link for your earliest writing where you called a demolition. Come on �Out with it. Surely you wish to flaunt in front of us the date at which you became a hero. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Nico Haupt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, 16 June 2006 11:44 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* Re: [911truthalliance] Back to my hermit house Bill, what the f**k are you talking about? Almost 1.5 years i had the first weekly U.S. Television show here in NYC on 9/11 ("ShadowGovernment TV), on public access and we aired 3 seasons. Guess, who blocked the "silly idea"? Kyle Hence. And then almost 2 years when i had another weekly TV show, INN World Report, once again Kyle Hence and co. tried to dictate the content when i had to go through him to reach to the 9/11 victims, instead later got Sibel Edmonds and other phoney BS. I never ever considered doing TV as being a 'hero'. I did that almost my whole life, for either independent, mainstream or crossover genres. It was the most logical thing to do right after 9/11, including podcasts, which even took 3, 4 more years until 911blogger.com and Co. catched up on this too. Also, i had my own minutes on C|Span, often censored after the first broadcast plus other international channels. Still that i am not considering being a hero. I guess, this word does more fit respected researchers, who worked their asses off, including scientific researchers, once again blocked by Hence, 911truth.org for almost 3 YEARS!! TV- Dangerous? LOL, not when it is a scripted limited hangout show a la Hence/Schecter :) > >>>> Just for the record, Kyle Hence is a hero who stood before the powers that be time and time again on national television at a time, when I think most of us felt that was a very dangerous thing to do. We owe Kyle Hence a great deal. Bill Douglas <<< �__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Letter to WING TV: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:58:51 -0700 (PDT) For WING TV's "credibility poll" dear everyone including 'haterz' and blindlings :), From day to day WING TV claims, that they're apparently the only alternative media portal left, who's spreading nothing but the complete, uncensored truth, to speak with their words: "no more illusions" But the sad reality is, that WING TV, though doing remarkable exposes on Jeff Rense, DBS, Alex Jones and others, i am still waiting for their own reality check on themselves. While undoubtly having their hearts more on the right spot than many others, what 'constructive patriotism' depends, fighting against many other phoney gatekeepers, they're showing the same arrogance by denying their own trap of not addressing the media matrix from 9/11. Tons of evidence meanwhile exists that W-ABC7 showed us a fake plane on the morning of Sep11th (this footage itself is also in conflict with other NON-footage), but WING TV still has a blind eye. Today they talked about the analogy of this guy (they called a "mark", a "sucker"), who believed that "wrestling" is real, then realized one day that he's victim of a scam and never watched it again. Well, WING TV still does believe in the wrestling show from Sep11th. Black blurbs, conflicting camera perspectives, yet the fake plane always comes from the same side, never shrinks or grows, even if a zoom is involved and violates dozens of physical laws when buttering in NON-live footage into the south tower. However, self-declared scientists WING TV (who did great on controlled demolitions) still allows these violations on the South Tower. That's why WING TV, with all respect to their fight in the past for the 'truth' (what is this??), are the same "suckers" and "marks" they allegedly fight. And now they want to have a credibility polls on the biggest 'shill' in this 9/11 "truthling" movement or its asssociated 'patriot movement' (what is this??).? Sure, they have the right to do that. But when perspective of reality is already part of the censorship, what kind of results we will expect?? We know already, that rense is a fraud, alex jones a half-truther and DBS most likely an idiot, furthermore ghostwritten by Eric Hufschmid. But there is hope. Thinktanks will decide about the future, even after China, Russia and U.S. will start their world war against each other and the wannabee truth(lings) will stop to bubble and drivel, because finally revealed as well. And that's why i want this poll now for everyone. let's rank all of us each other. let's reveal that noone believe in the hipocrisy of 'unity' anymore anyway. Let's show the flagwavers how ignorant this 9/11 truth movement really is. Let's see if 911truth.org and their Chicago reptiles really will organize a rally at GROUND ZERO on Sep11th (if it's not too late anyway) because if not, then we can finally put them on the war criminal list for the future. And if the US Government will declare that Controlled Demolition was done by Al-Quaeda, let's see who will whine loudest :) Here below are my poll rankings for WING TV. If they have the guts they can read my letter next week in full length in their show. But since they're obsessed with their own censorship button, they might prefer to belittle my personality. Make no mistake. IF there will be a 5th anniversary protest at GZ, i have no problem to stand side by side with WING TV. After all everyone of us lived constantly through "alliances on demand. Noone was perfect. And cyberfights are still allowed. On 9/11/06 our differences and disagreements will be interrupted for the fight against fascism, too late or not to late. (Russia-NATO missile defense exercise during September/October, also "...*At the end of September 2006, the Joint Functional Component Command for Space and Global Strike is scheduled to achieve Full Operational Capability (FOC)..."* http://www.nukestrat.com/us/stratcom/GSchron.htm Currently U.S. Congress is debating to approve TRIDENT II) That is what always counted most... the numbers are in: Nico Haupt aka ewing2001's picks: Biggest Frauds in Alternative Media and Activists Groups: ============================================================ Amy Goodman/DemocracyNow!/Ford Foundation ANSWER United for Peace Moveon.org FAIR.ORG Z Mag Truthout.org/Marc Ash/William Rivers Pitt Buzzflash Mediachannel.org/Daniel Schecter Skinner of democraticunderground.com Jeff Rense and many more of GCN Take Back the media EFF EPIC GNN, Human Rights Watch, George Soros etc... Mother Jones Michael Moore Nation Air America Radio Village Voice Helen Thomas Molly Ivins and tons of more... Biggest Dececption- or limited hangout artists in '9/11 Truth Movement': ============================================================ 9/11 Truthlings http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthlings.html btw, for me the 'nowadays *sucker'* is "...sny "9/11 truthling" who's sucking up to any self declared 9/11 truthling spokesperson or orwellian activist leader. The suckers let the orwellian 'spokespersons' think and speak for them..." Biggest con artists, moles, plants, frauds, liers or shills in '9/11 Truth Movement': ============================================================ Mike Ruppert Karl Schwarz David Kubiak Mike Berger Biggest Infiltration Cult-Intel front within '9/11 Truth Movement': ============================================================ URANTIA and their affiliates "Circle of Life-Mastery <http://spirituality.meetup.com/5/>" Biggest Infiltrated Internet Community Portals: ======================================================= EBAY, GOOGLE, MYSPACE.COM, PAYPAL, YOUTUBE, YAHOO... from *Internet Portal Community Watch <http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3223> http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?3223 * Planehugger of the year (2006*) *so far ==================================================== 1 Jonathan Gold (bbsucks.com/blogger brigade 911blogger.com) 2 911truth.org 3 Alex Jones 4 WING TV 5 J.Austin 6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7 San Diego 9/11 Truth 8 Eric Hufschmid 9 Jim Fetzer 10 Mark Bilk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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