On Jun 15, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Danny Ayers wrote: > On 15 June 2011 18:30, Pat Hayes <pha...@ihmc.us> wrote: > >> Boy, that is a humdinger of a non-sequiteur. Given that HTTP has >> flexibility, it is OK to identify a description of a thing with the actual >> thing? To me that sounds like saying, given that movies are projected, it is >> OK to say that fish are bicycles. > > Not that I think I did a non-sequiteur, it is totally ok to say that > fish are bicycles, if that's what you want to say. > > [snip] > >> OK, thanks. Here is your argument, as far as I can understand it. >> >> 1. HTTP representations may be partial or incomplete. (Agreed.) >> 2. HTTP reps can have many different media types, and this is OK. (Agreed, >> though I cant see what relevance this has to anything.) >> 3. A description is a kind of representation. (Agreed, and there was no need >> to get into the 'isomorphism' trap. We in KRep have been calling >> descriptions "representations" for decades now.) >> >> 4. Therefore, a HTTP URI can simultaneously be understood as referring to a >> document and a car. >> >> Whaaat? How in Gods name can you derive this conclusion from those premises? > > my wording could be better, but I stand by it... a document > describing the car, through HTTP, can be an equally valid > representation of the named car resource as the car itself (as long as > it's qualified by media type) >
Not only do I not follow your reasoning, I don't even know what it is you are saying. The document is a valid *representation* of the car, yes of course. But as valid as the car itself? So you think a car is a representation of itself? Or are you drawing a contrast between the 'named car resource' and the car itself? ??? Maybe it would be best if we just dropped this now. I gather that you were offering me a way to make semantic sense of something, but Im not getting any sense at all out of this discussion, I am afraid. Pat > Cheers, > Danny. > > > -- > http://danny.ayers.name > ------------------------------------------------------------ IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax FL 32502 (850)291 0667 mobile phayesAT-SIGNihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes
