On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:

> My 2c is .. i agree with kingsley diagram , linked data should be possible 
> without RDF (no matter serialization) :)
> however this is different from previous definitions
> 
> i think its a step forward.. but it is different from previously. Do we want 
> to call it  Linked Data 2.0? under this definition also schema.org marked up 
> pages would be linked data .. and i agree plenty with this .

So, I imagine, does everyone else. But are you implying that Schema markup is 
somehow incompatible with RDF? If so, try reading 
http://blog.schema.org/2012/06/semtech-rdfa-microdata-and-more.html

Pat

> 
> Gio
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Kingsley Idehen <kide...@openlinksw.com> 
> wrote:
> On 6/20/13 11:45 AM, Luca Matteis wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarva...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> • Restate/reflect ideas that in other posts that are troubling/puzzling and 
>> ask for confirmation or clarification.
>> 
>> I am simply confused with the idea brought forward by Kingsley that RDF is 
>> *not* part of the definition of Linked Data. The evidence shows the 
>> contrary: the top sites that define Linked Data, such as Wikipedia, 
>> Linkeddata.org and Tim-BL's meme specifically mention RDF, for example:
>> 
>> "It builds upon standard Web technologies such as HTTP, RDF and URIs" - 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data
>> "connecting pieces of data, information, and knowledge on the Semantic Web 
>> using URIs and RDF." - http://linkeddata.org/
>> 
>> This is *the only thing* that I'm discussing here. Nothing else. The current 
>> *definition* of Linked Data.
> 
> Here's what I am saying, again: 
> 
> 1. You can create and publish web-like structured data without any knowledge 
> of RDF .
> 
> 2. You can create and publish web-like data that's enhanced with human- and 
> machine-comprehensible entity relationship semantics when you add RDF to the 
> mix. 
> 
> Venn diagram based Illustration of my point: http://bit.ly/16EVFVG . 
> 
> If you want your Linked Data to be interpretable by machine, then you can 
> achieve that goal via RDF based Linked Data and applications equipped with 
> RDF processing capability. 
> 
> RDF entity relationship semantics are *explicit* whereas run-of-the-mill 
> entity relationship model based entity relationship semantics are *implicit*. 
> 
> RDF is the W3C's recommended framework for increasing the semantic fidelity 
> of relations that constitute the World Wide Web. 
> 
> It isn't really that complicated. 
> 
> RDF can be talked about usefully without inadvertently creating an eternally 
> distracting Reality Distortion Field, laden with indefensible ambiguity. 
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