Jim,

I am not totally surprised... I am afraid this is a platform specific issue as we are running mod_python on Tru64. Something like a 64 bits issue. Does it sound a reasonnable possibility ? How to progress in troubleshooting ?

Michel

--On jeudi 24 novembre 2005 17:41 -0500 Jim Gallacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Michel,

I can't reproduce the problem on debian i386. I put together a script
that continually greps a apache child pid and kills it. After killing 200
processes there is no change in the total number of apache processes, and
nothing in the apache log other an entry for each process killed:

[Thu Nov 24 17:03:44 2005] [error] cgid daemon process died, restarting
...

Regards,
Jim


Michel Jouvin wrote:
I don't know If really need to write a script, this is so simple.

asa/root % ps -e -opid,ppid,cmd | grep http
  1560138    1048577 /www/Web/servers/apache/2.0.54/bin/httpd -k start
  1560163    1560138 /www/Web/servers/apache/2.0.54/bin/httpd -k start
  1086396    1086105 grep http


From this output, you see that 1560163 is the child. Kill it with :


    kill -KILL 1560163

If you enter again 'ps -e|grep http', you'll see (I am seeing...) the
number of httpd processes increasing until the max number (determined by
MaxClient and ThreadPerChild). When this max number is reached you get
the error message in main Apache error log.

Michel




--On mercredi 23 novembre 2005 19:30 -0500 Jim Gallacher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Michel Jouvin wrote:

Graham,

I played a little bit with worker MPM parameters. In particular I
tested your suggestion to increase to 2 StartServers. This has no
effect on the problem. I also tried to raise MaxSpareThread to
MaxClient and suppressed child recycling (MaxRequestPerChild=0) to
suppress restart of child as it seems to trig the problem with
mod_pyton. No effect.

I also checked the load during all these tests. Almost no request. So
the heavy load syndroma you described doesn't seem to apply in this
case.

Again, one month ago I tested during 2 or 3 days an Apache
configuration with mod_python loaded and without any url to trig its
usages. And the problem was already the same. So it seems this is not
related to mod_python usage (it happens even if you didn't execute any
Python code) but rather to mod_python interaction with other Apache
components.

Michel



Michel,

I'm not able to reproduce the behaviour on debian stable (i386) with
apache 2.0.54, but I'm not sure if I'm testing this correctly.

Could you create a test script (bash or python) that will produce the
error? That way I can know for sure that I'm testing in the same way.

Jim




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