Dear R-Sig-Phylo Mailing List, I ran into a rather unusual problem. I was doing an analysis using the mammal trees from Upham et al. (2019) downloaded off of the VertLife site. The model statistics for my data initially suggested that the OLS model was better supported than a PGLS model based on Akaike Information Criterion (AIC). The reviewers for the paper wanted me to add more taxa, so I re-downloaded a set of trees from VertLife and reran the analysis, but when I did I found that suddenly the AIC values for the PGLS equation were dramatically different, to the point that it favored a Brownian PGLS model over all other models. This was despite the fact that previously I found that an OLS model and an OU model had a better model fit than a Brownian model, and the other accuracy statistics of interest (like percent error, this being a model intended for use in predicting new data) also found OLS and OU models to fit better than a Brownian PGLS model. The regression line for a Brownian model doesn't even fit the data at all due to being biased by a basal clade. The model also has a high amount of phylogenetic inertia which again would seemingly make an OU model a better option.
I used drop.tip to remove the additional taxa to see if I could replicate my previous results, but it turns out I still couldn't replicate the results. That's when I realized what was causing the change in AIC values wasn't the taxon selection, but the tree I was using. If I used the old VertLife tree I could replicate the results, but the new VertLife tree produced radically different results despite using the same tips. So what I decided to do is rerun the analysis for all 100 trees I had available, and it turned out there was a massive amount of variation in AIC depending on what tree was chosen. I tried including an html data printout to show the precise results and how I got them, but I couldn't attach them because the mailer daemon kept saying they were too large. The AIC values between trees vary by almost 200 points after excluding extreme outliers, when model differences of 2 or more are often considered to represent statistically detectable differences. The unusually low AIC I got when I first ran the analysis happened to be because the first tree in the 100 trees merely happened to produce a lower-than-average AIC than the whole sample. The average AIC out of the 100 trees was higher than for the OLS model, which again makes sense given the distribution of the data. However, and this is where my problem comes in, how do I make appropriate model selections for PGLS if there is such a massive amount of variation in AIC? Especially given that between the trees in the sample there is enough variation that it can cause one model to be favored over another? Just picking one tree and going with that seems counterintuitive, because it's not very objective and theoretically someone could pick a specific tree to get the results they want, or accidentally pick a tree that might support the wrong model as seen here. On top of that the tree topologies are more or less identical: the same 404 taxa are present in all trees and the trees have nearly identical topologies, the only real differences between trees are branch lengths. But given this, how can I justify which AIC value I report, which in turn means which model is best supported? I did try looking at the phylo_lm function in the sensiphy package, but that function doesn't seem to provide any method of performing model selection between different regression models. It does seemingly report AIC, but the AIC the function reported was dramatically different from the aic I got using the gls function in ape and nlme. Sincerely, Russell [[alternative HTML version deleted]] _______________________________________________ R-sig-phylo mailing list - R-sig-phylo@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-phylo Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/r-sig-phylo@r-project.org/