On the other hand, while the film being a different work than the book makes sense to me, the idea that an _audio book_ of the exact text of the book is a different work (but a braille version is not? Or is a braille version a different work too?) still seems weird to me.

But weird or not, in the end it's an arbitrary choice, and doesn't concern me too much one way or another. As long as we know the audiobook or movie _IS_ a dramatization of the original book, and that relationship is encoded in machine readable way in the records, whether it's an encoded as a separate work or not isn't that crucial.

We don't do well at even the first part at the moment.

Jonathan

Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
I think it's really an arbitrary choice, and not important -- the important thing is that the things our users care about is encoded in the data somehow, in a consistent way. Whether they're considered seperate works or the same work, the record needs to tie them together so we can display that tie to our users.

Mac makes a good point about how one reason the FRBR group may have chosen that arbitrary distinction in this case was to be consistent with legacy practice. FRBR is, intentionally, mostly a formalized and more explicit model of _basically_ what we've been doing all along anyway. While I don't think that legacy practices always trump everything else, in this case since it's basically an arbitrary decision anyway, and what matters is just attempting to get some kind of consistency at least among library metadata generation, making that choice seems perfectly reasonable to me.

No matter what, any formal model we have is going to be an imperfect model of the actual world. The model is not reality, it's just a model. There are many arbitrary choices to be made in it. You make them balancing feasibility (in a bunch of different ways) with power and flexibility (in also a bunch of different ways).
Jonathan

Myers, John F. wrote:
Jonathan Leybovich has cited FRBR chapter and verse for this treatment.  To be honest, I have not entirely 
been comfortable with this since my first exposure to FRBR.  I've learned to accede to it.  The best way that 
I've managed to get my head around it is to consider that the change in format requires such additional 
intellectual and creative contribution, that a new work is constituted.  Barbara Tillett has a wonderful 
slide in her FRBR presentations and in her pamphlet issued by LC, "What is FRBR" 
(http://www.loc.gov/cds/downloads/FRBR.PDF), that illustrates the continuum between original work and 
subsequent products in it's "family".  "What is FRBR" is an excellent introduction to the 
topic, by the way.  Mac has offered a pragmatic approach -- if the choice of main entry changes, a different 
work is involved.
John Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
Schenectady NY 12308
mye...@union.edu
518-388-6623

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From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access on 
behalf of Christoph Schmidt-Supprian
Excuse my ignorance, but why are the film and the novel two different works?

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