Enriched content added to catalogs already can do similar things, such as immediate access to reviews and related readers advisory services. The question is: how do we make our data even more amenable to these user-friendly services.
In addition, the roles people play are already meticulously recorded in a variety of notes in catalog records. So, yes, the implication is that catalog records often do have the answers or details that may exist elsewhere. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Mike Tribby > Sent: November 26, 2012 11:43 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > Wotta boon! (The fact of IMDb already existing notwithstanding). And let's > extend this fantastic accomplishment to other areas of interest and > inquiry, too. How long until I can consult my local OPAC to find out who > won the batting title in the Pacific Coast League in 1932? > > > > > Mike Tribby > Senior Cataloger > Quality Books Inc. > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:35 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > As an option for navigating the relationships people have had to creative > works, there is the possibility of very user-friendly approaches, as in > this IMDB example for the many job types Clint Eastwood has had in > relation to films: > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000142/ > > > Current library catalogs do not come close in helping users in ways that > are now commonly found across the web. > > > Thomas Brenndorfer > Guelph Public Library > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Laurence S. > > Creider > > Sent: November 26, 2012 11:27 AM > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > > > And all this helps the public how? > > > > -- > > Laurence S. Creider > > Interim Head > > Archives and Special Collections Dept. > > University Library > > New Mexico State University > > Las Cruces, NM 88003 > > Work: 575-646-4756 > > Fax: 575-646-7477 > > lcrei...@lib.nmsu.edu > > > > On Mon, November 26, 2012 9:19 am, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: > > > The distinction between “artist†and “illustrator†currently > > > exists in the choices for main entry heading. Catalogers have to > > > know that an artist can be a main entry heading, and an illustrator > > > can only be an added entry. The distinction comes down to knowing > > > what is the work and what is the expression (that is, in knowing > > > that an illustrator has only contributed to the realization of a > > > work, but is not responsible for the primary intellectual or > > > creative content of the > > work). > > > These categorizations may seem arbitrary, but they are still the > > > basis for traditional cataloging, and reappear as > > > entity-relationships in RDA. RDA does go a bit further in > > > recognizing that there may be more types of relationships beyond the > crude main/added entry distinction. > > > For example, a Creator may also have a Contributor role (as in > > > Composer > > and Singer). > > > This can be seen in the second RDA/MARC example in > > > http://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/6jsc_rda_complete_exam > > > pl > > > es_bibliographic_jul0312_rev.pdf > > > Thomas Brenndorfer > > > Guelph Public Library > > > > > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > > > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jack Wu > > > Sent: November 26, 2012 11:08 AM > > > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > > > > > And the searcher, in order to search successfully, would have to > > > know this distinction in our use of a different qualifier for the > > > same person under different circumstances, as well, I presume? > > > > > > Jack Wu > > > Franciscan University of Steubenville > > > j...@franciscan.edu<mailto:j...@franciscan.edu> > > > > > >>>> Jenny Wright > > >>>> <jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk<mailto:jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk>> > > >>>> 11/26/2012 9:38 AM >>> > > > My understanding is that: > > > If the illustrations are integral to the work, the person who > > > drew/painted them is a creator, or co-creator, and so the > > > relationship designator should be “artistâ€. > > > If the illustrations are complementary to the work, and belong at > > > expression level (they contribute to the realisation of the work), > > > then the relationship designator should be “illustratorâ€. > > > What is more debatable is how one decides whether the art is > > > integral to the work. Could another artist could draw new comic > > > strips for the same story, or new pictures for a juvenile picture > > > book without changing it to a new work? > > > Jenny Wright > > > Development Manager > > > Bibliographic Data Services Ltd. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > > > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Jack Wu > > > Sent: 26 November 2012 14:30 > > > To: > > > RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> > > > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Illustrators as creators, not contributors > > > > > > Then, in MARC, it can sometimes be using $e illustrator, but at > > > other times $e artist? Or would one be using both terms? It's > > > somewhat confusing to me. > > > > > > Jack Wu > > > Franciscan University of Steubenville > > > j...@franciscan.edu<mailto:j...@franciscan.edu> > > > > > >>>> JSC Secretary > > >>>> <jscsecret...@rdatoolkit.org<mailto:jscsecret...@rdatoolkit.org>> > > >>>> 11/23/2012 8:14 AM >>> > > > Jenny, > > > > > > The LC-PCC PS you cite is in chapter 20, the chapter for > > > contributors, and states the policy requiring an authorized access > > > point for the first illustrator (someone with responsibility for the > > > expression, not the work). If the person involved in your resource > > > has responsibility at the work level as a creator, you would not be > consulting chapter 20. > > > > > > Yes, the only creator-level term in appenidx I is "artist" because > > > "illustrator" there is the term for a relationship at the expression > > > level. > > > > > > Judy Kuhagen > > > JSC Secretary > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Jenny Wright > > > <jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk<mailto:jenny.wri...@bibdsl.co.uk>> wrote: > > > Hi All > > > I am looking at how to deal with children's picture books using RDA > > > rules, and would like to know what others think. > > > > > > I think of children's picture books as being co-created by the > > > author and the illustrator, and I believe it would be a different > > > work if there were different illustrations, rather than a different > expression. > > > > > > My reading of RDA is that if I believe a person to be a co-creator > > > of a work, rather than a contributor to an expression, then the only > > > available relationship designator for the illustrator is "artist". > > > > > > However, there is an LC-PCC PS stating "Provide an authorized access > > > point in the bibliographic record for an illustrator in all cases of > > > resources intended for children. Give the RDA appendix I designator > > > "illustrator" in MARC 700 subfield $e." > > > > > > Can anyone help explain this apparent anomaly? > > > Thank you > > > Jenny Wright > > > Development manager > > > Bibliographic Data Services Ltd. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ __ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The > > > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a > > > proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the > > > globe, visit: > > > http://www.star.net.uk > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > __ > > > __ > > > ________________________________ > > > Scanned by for virus, malware and spam by SCM appliance > > >
