I meant, of course, "Bibliotheken" not "Biblitheken".

--Ben

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:05 PM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Names of conferences as title proper, other title 
information or statement of responsiblity

Under AACR2 and perhaps even earlier practice, it was quite common to treat the 
conference name as other title information and so put it in $b:

$a Biblitheken für die Zukunft, Zukunft für die Bibliotheken : $b 100. 
deutscher Bibliothekartag in Berlin 2011 / $c herausgegeben von Ulrich hohff 
und Daniel Lülfing.

Since "Main Entry" was understood as a simply cataloging device for collocating 
resources in a useful fashion, the fact that what appeared in the 1xx (the 
conference) was not in the statement of responsibility did not seem to trouble 
anyone.

But with RDA having banished "Main Entry" in favor of relationships, and having 
declared (19.2.1.1.1.d) a conference proceedings the "creation" of a conference 
(note how, in the AACR2 equivalent, 21.1B2, the phrase is "a work emanating 
from one or more corporate bodies", whereas as RDA says, "Corporate bodies are 
considered to be creators") there seems to be an (unspoken?) re-evaluation of 
this practice in favor of putting the conference in the $c:

$a Biblitheken für die Zukunft, Zukunft für die Bibliotheken / $c 100. 
deutscher Bibliothekartag in Berlin 2011 ; herausgegeben von Ulrich hohff und 
Daniel Lülfing.

I don't think there is a specific chapter and verse where this is stated but 
it's what I've been seeing in OCLC lately.  Of course the real question is: is 
"100. deutscher Bibliothekartag in Berlin 2011" other title information, or a 
statement of responsibility? I think the answer is likely, "Both", so I'm 
afraid we probably shouldn't expect to see consistency in the way catalogers 
treat it.

My .02,

--Ben

Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems
MIT Libraries
617-253-7137

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 1:46 PM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca<mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Names of conferences as title proper, other title 
information or statement of responsiblity

I meant area of responsibility.  The 245 line would read [title] / |c [name of 
conference]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller 
<wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de<mailto:wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de>> wrote:
Gene,

Without seeing the actual item, I would place it in the area of resp.

Sorry, that was too much shorthand for a non-native speaker:
Does "resp" here mean the same as "depends"? If so, on what - the layout?

If you want to have a closer look, here's a scan of the title page:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2aFdx26Qi9sMDhIb1lZMFE2SlU/edit

It's a typical case of conference proceedings, a collection of papers given at 
the so-called "Bibliothekartag" (the German equivalent to the ALA conference, 
with about 4.000 participants). My reading is that such proceedings originate 
with the conference, and therefore that the conference is seen as the creator.

I apologize for being so insistent. But it's an example from my teaching 
collection, and I would very much like to get a sound RDA solution for it (or 
perhaps several acceptable solutions, if that's how it is).

Thanks again,

Heidrun


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Stuttgart Media University
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Cataloger/Serials Librarian
Claremont School of Theology
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