"England" is a counterexample, but nouns are quite often used as adjectives. One can properly say, "California legislators" rather than "Californian legislators," or "New York police" rather than "New Yorker police." The phrase "Democrat Party" could be also read grammatically as "the party composed of Democrats," just as a "Parent and Teacher Association" would be an "association composed of parents and teachers."

More generally, this may be because I'm completely unfamiliar with the history of the term, but I'm intrigued that it is possible either to (1) intend offense or (2) take offense at the use of the word "Democrat." What does "Democratic Party" actually *mean* that "Democrat Party" doesn't, or vice versa? Is this all merely a case of blowing a trivial semantic issue into a huge fight over no particular reason other than mutual escalation? I.e., is it the case that people take offense at "Democrat Party" for absolutely no reason other than that offense is intended, and that correspondingly people use "Democrat Party" sheerly for the purpose of causing offense? Or to put it another way, would anyone bother to take offense at the term "Democrat" if no offense had ever been intended (or would anyone bother to use the term if they didn't know that offense would be taken)?

Best,
Stuart Buck


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Subject: Re: Assaults on the England language
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:29:15 -0500

I like the title of this thread "Assaults on the England language," which suggests the grammatical argument for why it's wrong to say Democrat Party. But if the grammatical point is so strong, why do we say "women lawyers"? "Women" isn't an adjective.

Ann

On Jul 21, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Mark Graber wrote:

I suppose the best solution is that we all use the words we believe  best
convey our meanings, keeping in mind the virtues of civility on this
list.  Others may challenge our usages, and we then deciding  whether to
accept amendments.

MAG


[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/05 10:03 AM >>>

I think, as the Court likes to say in EC cases, that purpose matters
when someone uses Xmas or Xtian instead of Christmas or Christian. Did
you use the abbreviation merely as a shortcut (if so, did you  abbreviate
lots of other words in your sentence or paragraph), or did you use  the X
because you think the name of Christ is offensive to non-Xtians? Do  you
often use Greek letters to shorten English words? Or is this the only
one you use?

Frankly, my dears, I don't give a darn about words like Democrat Party
or Xmas.

But I am offended when the word "Fundamentalist" is used in an  effort to
marginalize a Baptist or a Methodist or an evangelical. And that word
gets used on this list all the time to describe people, like Jim,  who
don't self-identify as  "Fundamentalists." Another word that gets  tossed
around in circles like this is "homophobe" to describe reasonable  folks
who merely believe in traditional sexual morality. And, of course,  since
we now have a Supreme Court vacancy, we will see the words "extremist"
and "outside the mainstream" used to describe reasonable conservatives
like Roberts and Scalia.

Cheers, Rick Duncan



Eric Treene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I recall being taught in Sunday school that early Christians sometimes
used
an X to signify Christ, in order to avoid persecution. That, I was  told,
is
why X-mas is perfectly acceptable. Xtians would seem to be  acceptable as
well.

Indeed, the term Christian originated as a put-down applied to the
followers
of Christ (like the term "Christer" used by Madelyn Murry O'Hair and
sometimes used by others to denigrate Christians today in some
quarters).
Christians eventually took on the label. Who knows, perhaps Christer
will
come into vogue among Christians. Language is funny that way. 50 years
from now Democrats may prefer "Democrat party."

Eric Treene
(in my personal capacity).
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At 09:19 AM 7/20/05 -0500, you wrote:


I never associated Democrat Party with McCarthy, although I'm not all

that

surprised to learn that he originated it. I always associated it with
middle school. It is intended to be somehow insulting without really
having any discernable meaning and without being very clever


Like "Xtians"?


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