Perhaps the central point of this dialogue is the silliness of using religious strife when evaluating constitutional provisions on religion.  People disagree on school vouchers, the ten commandments, etc.  The claim that one side of the disagreement is causing religious strife is implicitly based on claims that the other side is right.
 
Mark A. Graber

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Bobby: I don't carry a brief for Roy Moore. I think this country is a religiously pluralistic country--not a Christian country, but also not a secular country. Thus, I believe that everyone should pay his or her fair share of taxes (including educational taxes) and everyone should receive his or her fair share of benefits (including education benefits). Food stamps should cover Kosher food, educational benefits should be extended to all children regardless of where they go to school, and public fora should be open to all speakers including religious speakers.
 
As far as the doctrine of salvation by faith in Christ goes, I am not ashamed of the Gospel nor do I believe it is intolerant or the cause of justifiable religious strife. You are free to believe or to disbelieve that salvation is through Christ and Christ alone. But I will not renounce the central teaching of my faith just to make others feel better about their faith.
 
The doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Christ is a doctrine of love and forgiveness. It is not an intolerant doctrine. It is open to everyone.
Suppose you fell off a ship at sea and were drowning and I threw you a lifeline. And you said, "I don't like this lifeline because it's orange and I prefer yellow ones." And I said "it's the only one I have." And you said "I prefer to drown."
 
You certainly have that choice. And I respect it.  But please don't say that I am a strife-causer because I offered you the only lifeline I had.
 
Cheers, Rick  

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Of course, in recent times much religious strife is caused by excluding religious people from equal access to the public square and from equal participation in the benefits of the welfare state.
        I think this is an unfortunately skewed view of religious tensions and the pain and anger caused by some "religious" people regarding other religions.  I have in mind the position of some Christians that unless Jews renounce their faith, they are (and should be) damned to Hell. Or the alleged view of such individuals as Roy Moore that this is (and should be) a Christian country, and that Jews and others should be tolerated out of the goodness of Christianity.  That strikes me as paradigmatic of religious motivated strife. 
 
Bobby
Robert Justin Lipkin
Professor of Law
Widener University School of Law
Delaware
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