Virtually all of the religious claims that you refer to involve efforts to exclude, marginalize or, perhaps, even worse.  Of course those who are excluded or marginalized, or worse, would resist, as well they should.

 


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You could add the op[position to enhance d protection for religions workers in the workplace because such legislation might empower claims impinging on gay rights, gay groups that sued Yeshiva University over it refusal to allow gay couples access to  a married only dorm in its medical school, the opposition to an exemption for Catholic Charities in Boston, the suit over doctors refusing to assist  lesbian couple have a child by artificial insemination and on and on….What ever the merits of particular suits, there has been as pattern of opposition to religious claims in the gay rights context.

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Could you give some examples of gay rights proponents who ignore religious liberty interests?  

 

Doug Laycock's Answer:  The gay rights groups organized and led the charge that killed the Religious Liberty Protection Act.  They did it by insisting on a categorical exception for all civil rights cases, refusing to rely on the case law that most civil rights claims present compelling interests or their own view that all civil rights claims present compelling interests.

 

"All civil rights claims" would include challenges to the male-only priesthood.  It would include claims of religious discrimination in awarding membership or leadership positions in churches and other religions organizations.  In Colorado and several other states, civil rights laws prohibit employers from penalizing "any lawful off-the-job activity."  So civil rights claims include any immoral, disreputable, but not illegal act you can think of:  using pornography, appearing in pornography, moonlighting at a strip club, gambling heavily in lawful casinos, and similar things that religious organizations might tell their employees not to do.  The gay rights groups and the coalition of civil rights organizations they put together refused to listen to any such argument.  They wanted a global and absolute civil rights exception; take it or leave it.  They produced party-line gridlock over that demand.

 

At the state and local level, gay rights groups insist on no religious exemption to gay rights laws or, if they can't prevail on that, the narrowest possible definition of religious organizations entitled to exemption.

 

I assume it was these recurring political conflicts, in which gay rights groups simply refuse to recognize any competing interest on the other side of the table, that Alan Brownstein was referring to, and not the occasional acts of disruptive protest.

 

Of course many of the conservative religious groups are equally intractable with respect to gay rights organizations.  In the particular case of RLPA, most of them were at all time willing to concede the compelling-interest exception, fully understanding that courts were likely to find a compelling interest in most civil rights claims.

 

 

 

Douglas Laycock

University of Texas Law School

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Austin, TX  78705

512-232-1341

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