Point taken about business with six or ten or some other small number of 
employees.

 

If the Oregon ballot initiative had not been withdrawn, there would have been 
political talk about Hilton Hotels not doing gay wedding receptions, and how 
the law would protect that. That sort of problem is a non-issue; no large 
business with diverse ownership could be expected to act in such a way.

 

The statutory language that a group of us have proposed would protect 
businesses in which “services . . . are primarily performed by an owner,” or 
that have five or fewer employees. Any precise limit is arbitrary; there is no 
good reason for five employees instead of ten employees. If we erred, it was 
obviously on the low side, and even so, the proposal has gone nowhere in blue 
states.

 

While the precise limit is arbitrary, the reason for focusing on very small 
businesses is principled. We are trying to capture businesses that are personal 
extensions of the owner, in which the owner feels morally responsible for 
everything that goes on in the business, and outside observers can understand 
that. No doubt some owners feel morally responsible for everything that goes on 
in their business no matter how large the business grows, but it is hard to 
verify that. And just as we can accommodate the religious needs of an employee 
by assigning the task to a different employee, so the owner with many employees 
can assign a task to some of them and remove himself from participation. And of 
course, as a business grows in size, the government’s claim of compelling 
interest grows proportionately.

 

Hobby Lobby is a special case in my view, because the religiously prohibited 
act must necessarily take place at corporate headquarters as a decision for the 
entire business. This is not something that can be delegated to a clerk or a 
store manager in an individual store somewhere; this is a decision the owners 
must make themselves.

 

I have a brief due next week and will likely not respond to further comments.

 

Douglas Laycock

Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law

University of Virginia Law School

580 Massie Road

Charlottesville, VA  22903

     434-243-8546

 

From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of James Oleske
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:22 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Size Limits on Businesses That Can Obtain Religious Exemptions (was 
"Oregon Ballot Title: Religious Exemptions & Same-Sex Couples")

 

I agree that the lack of a size limit in the (now-abandoned) Oregon initiative 
would have made the measure a tough sell politically, but I'm not sure I agree 
that including a size limit would be "irrelevant in practice." 

The size limit in the current version of the academic proposal for 
marriage-facilitation exemptions is 5 employees (or 5 units for landlords). 
Including that limit in exemption legislation would appear to exclude one of 
the wedding vendors most frequently invoked by exemption proponents, Arlene's 
Flowers in Washington State, which had grown to 10 employees by 2010. That same 
size limit might also preclude an exemption for another frequently discussed 
vendor, the Gortz Haus in Iowa, which according to at least one business 
database is classified as having between 10-19 employees. Can a size limit that 
would exclude businesses like Arlene's Flowers and the Gortz Haus (or bakeries 
that grow to 6 employees, or landlords that rent 6 units, or employers ranging 
from 6 employees to the size of Hobby Lobby that don't want to provide spousal 
health benefits to same-sex couples) really be deemed irrelevant in practice 
given the live cases involving such businesses?

As for whether the lack of a size limit in the Oregon initiative represents 
overreaching in principle, it's worth noting that (1) the original version of 
the academic proposal did not include a size limit on businesses eligible for 
exemptions, (2) the currently proposed federal "Marriage and Religious Freedom 
Act" -- which is supported by the Catholic Bishops and the Southern Baptists, 
and has over 100 co-sponsors, including former Senate Judiciary Committee 
Chairman Orrin Hatch -- does not include a size limit on businesses eligible 
for exemptions, and (3) academic supporters of Hobby Lobby have argued that 
size limits on exemptions for businesses are akin to historic religious 
persecution. 

Of course, one could conclude (as do I) that all of these proposals and 
arguments represent overreaching by seeking a novel extension of religious 
exemptions into the for-profit commercial realm. Or one could conclude (as do 
others) that all of these proposals and arguments represent reasonable efforts 
to protect religious liberty in the commercial realm without arbitrary size 
limits. But it's not clear to me how the lack of size limits in the Oregon 
proposal can be distinguished on principle from the other proposals and 
arguments against size limits.

 

- Jim

 

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Douglas Laycock <dlayc...@virginia.edu 
<mailto:dlayc...@virginia.edu> > wrote:

No size limit on the businesses to be exempted, and no exception for local 
monopolies, is stupid politics, and I think, wrong in principle. The lack of a 
size limit is also irrelevant in practice, because large businesses wouldn’t be 
claiming these exemptions even if they were available. But lack of a size limit 
is likely to be devastating on the political front. This would probably be a 
tough sell in Oregon even if it were more sensibly drafted. As it is, I can’t 
believe it has much of a chance.

 

It’s not always clear whether the worst enemies of religious liberty are the 
secular activists  who oppose it and minimize it, or the religious activists 
who are forever over reaching and making fat targets of themselves.

 

 

 

Douglas Laycock

Robert E. Scott Distinguished Professor of Law

University of Virginia Law School

580 Massie Road

Charlottesville, VA  22903

     434-243-8546 <tel:434-243-8546> 

 

From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu>  
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu 
<mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu> ] On Behalf Of James Oleske
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 5:51 PM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Oregon Ballot Title: Religious Exemptions & Same-Sex Couples

 

Yesterday, the Oregon Supreme Court certified the ballot title for a proposed 
citizen initiative that would provide religious exemptions from 
anti-discrimination laws to business owners who decline to provide certain 
services to same-sex couples. The title that will appear on the November ballot 
if proponents of the initiative gather the requisite number of signatures by 
early July is as follows:

***

"Religious belief" exceptions to anti-discrimination laws for refusing 
services, other, for same-sex ceremonies, "arrangements"

Result of "Yes" Vote: "Yes" vote creates "religious belief" exceptions to anti 
discrimination laws for refusals to provide services/facilities/goods for 
same-sex marriage/partnership ceremonies, and their "arrangements"

Result of "No" Vote: "No" vote rejects "religious belief" exceptions to anti 
discrimination laws for refusals regarding same-sex ceremonies, "arrangements"; 
retains exemptions for churches/religious institutions, constitutional 
protections. 

Summary: Current laws prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in 
public accommodations (businesses offering services/facilities/goods), 
employment, housing; contain certain exemptions for churches/religious 
institutions. State/federal constitutions protect free exercise of religion. 
Measure creates “religious belief” exceptions to anti-discrimination laws for 
refusing services/facilities/goods/other, for same-sex ceremonies, 
arrangements. Prohibits administrative enforcement, penalties, civil actions 
against “person” (defined as including individuals, corporations, other 
business entities) acting in nongovernmental capacity, for refusing to 
“celebrate, participate in, facilitate, or support” any same-sex marriage, 
civil union, domestic partnership ceremony or its arrangements, if doing so 
violates the person’s “deeply held religious beliefs.” “Deeply held religious 
beliefs”; “participate”; “facilitate”; “support”; “ceremony or its 
arrangements”; “nongovernmental” undefined. Measure to be construed broadly for 
protection of religious exercise.

***

 

Unlike the Arizona law that garnered so much attention earlier this year, the 
Oregon initiative is not a RFRA expansion (there is no state RFRA here), but 
rather, an exemption proposal explicitly directed at services for same-sex 
couples. Some of the language in the initiative borrows from the leading 
academic proposal for religious exemptions to same-sex marriage laws, but there 
are significant differences. Most notably, the Oregon initiative is not limited 
to small businesses and it's operative language only allows refusals of service 
to same-sex couples (the operative language of the academic proposal would 
allow refusals of service to all religiously opposed marriages, although 
proponents have suggested that legislatures could exempt interracial marriages 
from the exemption).

I have argued elsewhere (http://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=2400100) that the 
academic exemption proposal would be vulnerable to equal protection challenge 
if enacted by a state, and presumably the facial discrimination in the Oregon 
initiative would only increase the odds of an equal protection challenge. Of 
course, that prospect will only materialize if (1) the proponents of the 
exemption measure decide to move forward despite receiving a ballot title they 
view as unfavorable and (2) the voters pass the measure.       

 

Text of Oregon Exemption Initiative:
https://www.oregonfamilycouncil.org/2013/11/21/protect-religous-freedom-initiative/
 

 

Oregonian Story on Supreme Court Decision, with Link to Ballot Title:
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/gay_marriage_court_settles_bal.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Academic Exemption Proposal:
Robin Fretwell Wilson, The Calculus of Accommodation: Contraception, Abortion, 
Same-
Sex Marriage, and Other Clashes Between Religion and the State, 53 B.C. L. REV. 
1417,

1512-13 (2012) (providing text of the proposal) & 
http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2009/08/memosletters-on-religious-liberty-and-samesex-marriage.html
 (collecting letters in support of the proposal)

 

- Jim

 

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