Hold on there Bradley...

An antenna that is built for a higher frequency than what you are inputting will exhibit downtilt in its original orientation.

Kevin

bradley glen wrote:
Hi All

I agree with Kevin and have used this in the
commercial field where the anteena was originallt cut
higher than was to be used.

I mounted the antenna upside-down and  had good
results-with some noticed downtilt which was good for
the application .On the same token keep in mind that
most of the efficiency of the collinear design lies at
the first radiating element - reduced radiation as one
extends to the end of the antenna.

Good luck
Regards
Bradley glen zs5swt /zs5wt

--- Chuck Kelsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
Thanks for saving me all the typing ;-)

Chuck
WB2EDV



Kevin Custer wrote:
    
I think what Chuck was getting at was the
      
'automatic' beamtilt of a 
    
vertical omni collinear (usually fiberglass) when
      
it is run outside of 
    
its specified bandwidth.  As a function of the
      
element length in a 
    
coaxial collinear as compared to the applied
      
frequency, the vertical 
    
beam pattern will change with applied frequency. 
      
If a coaxial collinear 
    
is fed with a signal that is exactly on its design
      
frequency, the 
    
vertical beam pattern will be centered about the
      
antenna, and the 
    
antenna will be at its highest radiating
      
efficiency.  If a coaxial 
    
collinear is fed with a signal that is 2% lower
      
than its design, the 
    
antenna will exhibit a vertical beam downtilt of
      
approximately 3 degrees 
    
and suffer approximately 10% loss in overall gain.
      
 If a signal that is 
    
2% higher than the antenna design is fed into a
      
coaxial collinear, 
    
vertical beam uptilt of approximately 3 degrees
      
will occur, and again a 
    
loss of overall gain.

These instances are not the case with binary or
      
corporate fed dipole 
    
arrays, as the phasing harness predominantly
      
controls the vertical beam 
    
pattern. Beam Tilt and efficiency doesn't change
      
very much with applied 
    
frequency, and is one reason that the exposed
      
dipole array is a better 
    
choice where wide band operation is required.

Kevin Custer

skipp025 wrote:
      
Kind of loaded question/statement/answer really. 
        
All 
    
antennas have both horizontal and vertical
        
beamwidth. 
    
Depending on what you think is beam-tilt... one
        
could 
    
and some do say all antennas have a beam tilt and
        
or 
    
a beam width. Others combine the description... 

In the more commercial world of antennas, we now
        
see 
    
vertical omni repeater site antennas with
        
adjustable 
    
beam tilt. 

But I'm not sure if I'd say they have to be made
        
with 
    
fiberglass radomes (covers).  There's more than
        
one method 
    
used by the various mfgrs to adjust the beam tilt
        
- beam 
    
width.  For the most part we only see some models
        
with 
    
adjustable setting in some vertical omni models
        
with 
    
composite radomes. 

... and you pay serious money for the adjustable
        
beam 
    
tilt models.  If you pay attention to the specs,
        
you'll 
    
see values for the horizontal, vertitcal beam
        
width and 
    
where needed, the/any adjustable beam tilt
        
values. 
    
Your results will probably vary... 

cheers, 
skipp 


        



 
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