Chris,

There aren't many ways around the laws of physics. If you can't get adequate 
physical separation, and can't afford a duplexer...perhaps you just can't 
afford to operate a repeater.

Can you gather enough interested users, and get everyone to chip in for a 
duplexer? If not, maybe your local user community isn't large enough to need a 
220 MHz repeater!

You might be able to gather a group adequate to fund and support a 220 repeater 
if you got closer to the Charleston area, linked into a hub in Charleston, etc. 
Your elevation might have some definite linking possibilities if folks in 
Charleston wanted a 220 MHz hub that could get them coverage farther west on US 
26, for example.

Generally, if you need to raise money to get a project done, you need to be 
able to cover a population center large enough to include a bunch of potential 
users. Given your area's population growth, if you have the connections, 
getting the town or county to help fund a sanctioned emergency repeater system 
might be an avenue, but you'd better have enough users on 220 to make it work 
if it's ever called up. The economy will be against you in this pursuit; your 
population growth will be an advantage.

Remember, finding the money to get it built and installed is only the start of 
the financial fun. You'll need an ongoing budget for maintenance and repair, or 
the machine will spend too much time down, and the users will wander off to 
other pursuits.

Good luck!

73,
Paul, AE4KR

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cmcclel...@aol.com 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers


    

  Thank you for your response.
  The problem is that the repeater is located on top of a building and the 
tower on that building is only about 20 feet tall. We can move the two antennas 
apart horizontally, but only 20 feet vertically.  Duplexers are way too 
expensive and hard to find for the 200 Mhz band.  We are running about 20 watts 
and the frequency separation is 1.6 mhz.  Sometimes a week signal comes in and 
sometimes the transceiver is desensitizing the receiver and covers it up.  Any 
suggestions?
  Thanks
  Chris

  In a message dated 8/30/2010 8:36:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
wb6...@verizon.net writes:
      
    Chris,

    You do not have to use a duplexer, but it makes building a repeater SO much
    easier! Keep in mind that "antenna separation" usually means vertical
    separation, not horizontal separation. Moreover, the same isolation
    provided by 1000 feet of horizontal separation might be provided by 10 feet
    of vertical separation. The amount of isolation you need is based generally
    on the transmit power, frequency separation between TX and RX, and the
    sensitivity of the receiver. The receiver bandwidth and antenna types also
    play a factor.

    73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
    [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mackey
    Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM
    To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

    Our club was recently given a 220 repeater. We have two seperate antennas.
    We do not have a duplexer. My question is do we have to have a duplexer? How
    can we keep the transmitter from desensitizing the receiver? The antennas
    are apart but can be moved farther.
    Thanks
    Chris
    Kg4bek





  

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