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In a message dated 4/12/2004 10:15:33 PM Central Standard Time, Snavon42 writes: Dafna, I admire your energy. The Arab propaganda machine has succeeded in convincing people that there is not legitimacy in Jewish claims to land that was bought and paid for until they decided to get rid of us by force. How can you explain this over and over again? It was legitimate for the Arabs to conquer lands that were occupied by indigenous people, in Egypt and all of North Africa. Now I understand that some of them are claiming Andalusia. The world doesn't give a damn about what is legitimate or not legitimate. All the powerful people just care about how much money they can make out of the Arab's and their oil. They sold us down the river, that includes prominent American Wasp families, before and during WW2. The only thing between Israel and destruction is Zahal. Whenever anything happens the Arabs make it sound as if that event is the reason they are fighting against Israel. It is as if their "struggle" begins again and again as they take a ride on the latest incident. Anyway, Kol Hakavod Lach. Sylvia Navon, NYC Sylvia, Thank you for your words of support. Luckily, there are people like you who CAN recognize propaganda when they hear it. In point of fact, my information about the history of Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with politics (and certainly nothing to do with the Likud whom I am thoroughly disgusted with and have been for a long time although not as disgusted as I am with those Israeli traitors on the left!) After all, I started studying history a long time before the present politicians -- American and Israeli -- were in power and I intend to continue long after they are out. I have found that one of the best ways of learning history and differentiating it from propaganda (including that by your own side) is by studying maps. An excellent site (which has nothing to do with Israel, btw) is a site called, appropriately enough, Historic Maps: http://www.epsaweb.org/historic_maps.htm Pick any one at random -- you will NOT find "Palestine" named as a separate country anywhere; the most you will find is that name given to the entire region -- without separate borders -- south of Syria and north of Egypt, as part of the Ottoman Empire. (http://www.epsaweb.org/images/1648.gif) At the beginning of the Roman Empire, even the Romans referred to the area where Israel is now as JUDEA!!! (http://www.epsaweb.org/images/0260.gif) That map was drawn before they decided to eradicate all trace of the Jews and deliberately called it "Palestine" as an insult to the Jews. (There is no mention of "Palestinian Arabs" as a separate people in any history books written prior to the 1970's either!!!) The history of "Palestine", even as a modern political entity, and not just an amorphous area on the western edge of the Ottoman Empire, doesn't date back before WWI. That was when the entire Ottoman empire was divided up (and almost all of the present Arab countries were formed!) and the British were given the Palestine Mandate WITH THE EXPRESS CONDITION TO FORM A JEWISH HOMELAND THERE!!! Here are some of the actual words from the Mandate (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Palestine_Mandate.html) (You should note that there is no mention of forming a "Palestinian" country out of the Mandate at all.) I've highlighted in red some particularly interesting ones. <excerpt from Mandate> Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and Whereas by the aforementioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations; confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows: ARTICLE 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate. ARTICLE 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of selfgoverning institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. <excerpt ends> The "history" of the "Palestinian people" as a separate group of Arabs STARTS in 1964 with Arafat and the PLO; it wasn't even acknowledged by the Arab countries themselves until 1974 at the Rabat Conference. Why don't you read it for yourself; a summary can be found at: http://countrystudies.us/jordan/16.htm. (I've read the actual document in translation, btw. WHEW!) <excerpt follows> "The Rabat Summit conference in October 1974 brought together the leaders of twenty Arab states, including Hussein, and representatives of the PLO. PLO leaders threatened a walkout if their demands for unconditional recognition were not met. The PLO required a statement from the conference that any Palestinian territory liberated by Arab forces would be turned over to the "Palestinian people" as represented by their organization. Jordan protested, pointing out that recognition on these terms would give the PLO sovereignty over half of the population in the East Bank and that in fact the annexation of the West Bank had been approved by popular vote. [Note: I did not put in the quotes around "Palestinian people"; they are part of the original document!!!! Also, Jordan acknowledges that it ANNEXED the "West Bank"!!! DY] A compromise solution was adopted that nonetheless favored PLO interests. The conference formally acknowledged the right of the Palestinian people to a separate homeland, but without specifying that its territory was restricted to the West Bank. Most important, the PLO was for the first time officially recognized by all the Arab states as the "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people." The Arab heads of state also called for close cooperation between the front-line states and the PLO but prohibited interference by other Arab states in Palestinian affairs. The Rabat Summit declaration conferred a mantle of legitimacy on the PLO that was previously absent. It gave official Arab recognition to PLO territorial claims to the West Bank and unambiguously put the fate of the Palestinian people solely in the hands of the PLO. [Note: The PLO was recognized as a known terrorist organization in 1974! DY] Hussein opposed the declaration, although he eventually signed it under intense Arab pressure and after the Arab oil-producing states promised to provide Jordan with an annual subsidy of $US300 million. Despite his acquiescence to the Rabat declaration and subsequent statements in support of the PLO, Hussein persisted in viewing the declaration as an ambiguous document that was open to differing interpretations. The PLO, along with the rest of the Arab world, viewed Hussein's consent at Rabat as a renunciation of Jordanian claims to the West Bank. [Note: Even the Arab countries didn't recognize the "West Bank" as part of Jordan and it was not part of the original division given to Jordan from the Mandate. DY] Hussein nonetheless continued to have aspirations concerning Jordanian control of the occupied territories. The wide gulf separating the two views was the major source of tension between the PLO and Jordan throughout the late 1970s and early 1980s. Following the Rabat Summit, the PLO scored an impressive political victory in the international arena. In late November 1974, the UN recognized PLO representation of the Palestinian people, [Note: That is less than 30 years ago!!! DY] and PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat addressed the General Assembly in Arabic, his pistol at his side. In addition, in a joint communiqué issued the same month, President Gerald R. Ford of the United States and General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev acknowledged the "legitimate interests" of the Palestinians in accordance with the UN resolutions. Nonetheless, a UN draft resolution in 1976 proposing to reaffirm the right of the Palestinians to self-determination-- and including the right to establish an independent state--was vetoed in the Security Council by the United States, which called instead for a "reasonable and acceptable definition of Palestinian interests." <excerpt ends> Please note that the UN did NOT grant the PLO the right to an independent country (and they certainly couldn't have already had one or they wouldn't be claiming to seek one now!) This was also the first time that there are official documents referring to a separate group of Arabs known as "Palestinians". As to why I continue to "explain it over and over", it is because I know that my information is indeed useful and welcome to many people. And, I add source references because some people insist on documents; the blood and sweat of generations of Israelis to build their country out of a barren land of deserts and swamps aren't enough, let alone the fact that they won the "territories" by defeating their enemies in wars (although that's good enough for other countries!) Just today, I received a letter from an unknown person who came across the JWD site and needs factual information. This is how it began: >Please advise me of a website that can be used as an intellectual >and direct counter attack to the articles that are posted on Jeff >Rense (Jeff non-sense) website. Of course, I am happy to help this person out. Maybe we'll even become friends (that also happens very frequently.) You should also know that this is not an unusual situation by any means. And this is what fuels my energy to continue to fight ignorance and bigotry that is too often disguised as "concern for human rights". Thank you for taking the time to write to me. I hope that you and your family are enjoying Matzah brei and having a wonderful Pesach. Kol tuv, Dafna --- / o o \ PNEWS Topic Specific Portals (Vortals) ===OO=====OO================================================http://pnews.org/vortal/ New World disOrder and Myth Busters http://g0lem.net/vortal/ Insane Planet and Wacko World http://g0lem.net/portal/ Bad-Ass Truth and TheGolemsPortal http://pnews.org/portal/ Naked Truth and PNEWS Portal ============================================================ \_/ \_/
