Too many channels = crystallographer's death (freely translated from an old proverb "Too many hunters= rabbit's death).
Rather to express my opinion that if you have too many options where to look for an info, you spend too much time before you find it. Why the troglodytes should learn Facebook? Why do not the younger and more up-to-date researcher use the email? Radovan Cerny Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP Université de Genève 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland Phone : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08 mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch URL : http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm -----Message d'origine----- De : rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] De la part de LUIS MARIA RODRIGUEZ LORENZO Envoyé : mardi 9 juin 2015 08:15 À : rietveld_l@ill.fr Objet : Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook hehe, well played Lubo. People can define themselves as they wish, the problem is the impression we produce in others with our self-definitions. still the more channels people have to reach information , the best, and as someone says before, if it does not work it will fade out with no damage. Quoting Lubomir Smrcok <uachs...@savba.sk>: > Dear Luis, > > I always find weird and sort of funny when someone cannot accept that > some people could call themselves troglodites meaning that they are > not very enthusiastic about ALL what other people call new and > progressive or even an innovation. This is how I understand Larry's > comment. > > Personally, though I am younger than him I do not feel like a > second-rate human being or depleted of any important scientific > information when I completely ignore facebook and its clones. This way > of communication or, better, its information contents, strongly > resembles that described in Brave New World by A.Huxley. Though > published in 1932, it has been somehow ahead of the times. > > A word of warning for facebookers : be careful, this is a book (check > the word with any good on-line service). Fortunately, it is offered > also for Kindle so no worry for being seen with a pretty thick piece > of paper. > > Best, > Lubo > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, LUIS MARIA RODRIGUEZ LORENZO wrote: > >> >> Dear all, >> >> Although not an active player on this list, except maybe in my early >> days in late 90,s,(science , took me in a different >> direction) I still keep track of what is happening in "the Refinement >> world" and i would like to add my thoughts on this non technical >> matter. >> The generation of people called millennials and young scientists >> among them, get inform through facebook and similar. That link them >> to several sources of information without attaching them to one >> single source . >> >> A facebook page related and linked to this discussion group could be >> the gate to new researchers (students) to this page and have a >> positive influence on the size of this community and their access to >> the very specific questions and knowledge that are usually discussed >> here. Their alternative can be the use of the potent available >> software to have results without guidance (e.g after , no sensible >> responses have been obtained through linkedyn or research gate, to >> name some, because nobody with the right expertise is there). It does >> not have to be a different or parallel discussion group, and it does >> not imply that you have to join or use any new group. it is most >> likely to have a positive effect or maybe just null in the worst >> scenario. >> >> In a more personal opinion , i always find weird and sort of funny, >> when people, whose work is to develop and spread knowledge, is proud >> to be a "troglodite" and do not dare to experience innovation. >> Facebook does not change the way Science "should" be done but it may >> change the way of communicating . >> >> Please dont take offence for my last comment , that is out of my purpose. >> Best regards >> Luis >> >> >> >> Quoting Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>: >> >>> To be honest, I can't imagine that crystallographic knowledge can be >>> effectively transmitted via facebook. Probably one could safe time >>> by reading some basic textbooks instead of "liking" and "following". >>> The same holds for other "asocial" (Lubo, I like this >>> statement!) networks like researchgate, what also waste the time >>> even of uninvolved people by spamming, just for generating profits >>> by the companies. >>> >>> The central points have already been fixed by Alan: >>> >>> The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions >>> aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users' >>> information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured archive >>> of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an account. >>> >>> This is like science should be. Alan, thank you very much for all >>> your altruistic efforts with the list! >>> Greetings >>> >>> Reinhard >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 08/06/2015 um 14:00 schrieb Davide Levy: >>>> I want say something more about my decision to open the group in FB. >>>> There is many people the use the Rietveld method as a magic black box: >>>> insert the data, read the cif of the phase and obtain the results. >>>> Then they say "twenty-one" and "forty-one" when they see a symmetry >>>> group! >>>> Maybe a POP-group in FB can teach more about crystallography to a >>>> larger group of scientist! >>>> this is my opinion. >>>> Davide >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >>>> [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Lubomir Smrcok >>>> Sent: 08 June, 2015 2:49 PM >>>> To: Alan Hewat >>>> Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr >>>> Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook >>>> >>>> Dear Alan, >>>> >>>> There are plenty of people who call usage of so-called social >>>> networks (they are, in fact, very asocial) "a progress". I would >>>> suggest to consider De gustibus non est disputandum, but also Duo >>>> cum faciunt idem, non est idem. >>>> >>>> Although I am not member of any of those asocial nets and do not >>>> plan to be, I sometimes think of the end of such services like >>>> Gopher. Maybe we have around a generation, who prefers to share >>>> instead of to search, think & write. What a prefect opportunity for >>>> commercial companies :-) >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Lubo >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Alan Hewat wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can understand that people have different ideas about the ideal >>>>> format for discussion, and for some of us email may seem a little >>>>> "old fashioned". I suppose we could also use Twitter or any of the >>>>> other social chattering forums. But multiple groups on the same >>>>> subject disperses the available information, and it would be good >>>>> to have some kind of consensus rather than individual initiatives. >>>>> The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions >>>>> aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users' >>>>> information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured >>>>> archive of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an >>>>> account. >>>>> >>>>> I myself simply inherited the list, but think it worth >>>>> maintaining, and would discourage members from posting to multiple >>>>> groups on the same subject. >>>>> >>>>> Alan. (What, me worry ? :-) >>>>> >>>>> On 8 June 2015 at 09:24, davide levy <davide.lev...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good Morning >>>>> I created the Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook, >>>>> to speak about powder diffraction, Rietveld etc.. open for all >>>>> use powder diffraction. >>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1087352967946225/ >>>>> Davide >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> Please do NOT attach files to the whole list >>>>> <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr> eg: >>>>> HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive >>>>> is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE >>>>> <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> +33.476.98.41.68 >>>>> http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> TU Bergakademie Freiberg >>> Dr. R. 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