Not only is it a possible explanation, it is the explanation. It represents the tube bremsstralum truncated by the Ni absorption edge.
As long as you're careful, removing it shouldn't be an issue, although it is always better to either model it properly, or to not collect such data on the first place. Matthew On Wed, 6 Sep 2023, 16:35 Shay Tirosh, <stiro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Reitvelders > > I am overwhelmed with your insightful responses. I am grateful for that. > > Indeed I have Ni filter and the adsorption added is indeed a good possible > explanation since we get similar step-like profiles with completely > different materials and samples. > > With the understanding that this step contains no special information that > I might lose by using Spilne as the baseline subtraction. I just need to > make sure I am not affecting peak positions and creating artificial peaks > and humps > > Any comments? > > Thanks > > Shay > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free.www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#m_-4699204290736215942_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 9:35 AM Reinhard Kleeberg < > kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de> wrote: > >> Dear Radovan, >> may be you are right, but this great development will unfortunately >> not help the big number of lab diffractionists to puzzle the patterns >> to be analyzed in their daily business ;-) >> Best regards >> >> Reinhard >> >> Zitat von Radovan Cerny <radovan.ce...@unige.ch>: >> >> > Dear Reinhard, >> > >> > I wouldn't say "solely from the detector side". The biggest >> > improvement is synchrotron radiation (+2D detectors🤓). >> > >> > Best greetings from Lac Leman >> > >> > Radovan Cerny >> > >> > Envoyé à partir de Outlook pour Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> > ________________________________ >> > From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr <rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> on >> > behalf of Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 1:49:57 PM >> > To: rietveld_l@ill.fr <rietveld_l@ill.fr> >> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] [External] Re: Step-like basline >> > >> > Dear Luca, >> > I completely agree and will be very happy to have a 1D detector with >> > sufficient energy resolution to resolve a "pure" Cu Kalpha1/2 doublet >> > from W Lalpha1. This would make routine work much easier. IMHO, the >> > biggest improvements in XRPD instrumentation within the last decades >> > came solely from the detector side, should be continued. >> > >> > Regarding search-match by Rietveld: Your FSPM method is a very >> > inspiring idea. Nicola Doebelin has incorporated a simplified approach >> > in PROFEX, too: >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqj71TiifeI >> > >> > I'm routinely applying a run of ~500 structures/minerals what we are >> > commonly using (+- the former QPA database of Seifert AUTOQUAN or from >> > the BGMN webpage) for a phase screening of unknown samples, needs ~ 5 >> > min without interaction. Than running QPA refinement with the best >> > matching structures, clicking on remaining peaks in the difference >> > plot for getting a proposal of best matching main line positions in >> > the database, and adding these structure(s) to the refinement, running >> > again... This is a typical workflow in our lab, no need for peak >> > search, background treatment, thinking about artifact peaks... >> > >> > Best regards >> > >> > Reinhard >> > >> > Zitat von Luca Lutterotti <luca.luttero...@unitn.it>: >> > >> >> Dear Reinhard and Rietvelders, >> >> >> >> It is always a compromise. Ideally we would like the fastest >> >> instrument with a lot of intensity (so, 1D or 2D detectors) but no >> >> lines outside the Kalpha or even just the Kapha1 like the one of >> >> James Cline. But this means a monochromator on the incident beam and >> >> you get fluorescence background. Now I like your solution of the Si >> >> Drift detector, so you just cut the fluorescence and you don’t need >> >> the monochromator in the first place. >> >> So we are working and we are testing some lab prototypes of a 1D Si >> >> Drift like detector to get the best of both world. It is only a lot >> >> of electronic, but one day we will have wonderful instrument with >> >> only the lines we need and no fluorescence for the background. >> >> Actually we use fluorescence for the chemical analysis (quantitative). >> >> >> >> About the search-match problem. Have a look on our FPSM method ( >> >> http://fpsm.radiographema.com/) where we don’t care about extra >> >> lines as it is a Rietveld search-match. We don’t need to identify or >> >> search peaks. We don’t use peak positions, we just fit with the >> >> Rietveld. It is slower indeed, but every day is becoming faster and >> >> in a few years it will run quickly on our cellphones (I have a >> >> prototype running there). >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Luca >> >> >> >> <http://www.unitn.it/> >> >> >> >> Luca Lutterotti >> >> Dipartimento di Ingegneria Industriale >> >> Università di Trento >> >> via Sommarive, 9 - 38123 Trento (Italy) >> >> tel. +39 0461 2824-14 (Office), -34 (X-Ray lab) >> >> >> >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> Maud: http://maud.radiographema.com <http://maud.radiographema/> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> >> >>> From: Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de> >> >>> Subject: Re: [EXT] [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>> Date: 5 September 2023 at 08:56:15 CEST >> >>> To: rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>> Reply-To: Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de> >> >>> >> >>> Dear Luca, >> >>> I completely agree with your opinion, and want to add that even for >> >>> "trivial" tasks in XRPD like phase analysis and standard Rietveld >> >>> refinements the satellites/spectral impurities do cause significant >> >>> trouble: >> >>> >> >>> - The K beta and W L satellites of strong peaks of major phases >> >>> like quartz, carbonates or cubic structures in geomaterials are >> >>> typically not automatically recognized in the standard peak search >> >>> procedures and therefore misinterpreted to be K alpha peaks and >> >>> added to the peak list. I can't tell you how often I was asked from >> >>> colleagues for explanation of such "unidentified peaks", and how >> >>> much time people have spent for searching for explanation of such >> >>> artefact lines. >> >>> - In Rietveld analysis our software must generate the peaks at >> >>> least for the measured angular range. Depending on the method how >> >>> the software is doing this, we run into problems with the >> >>> satellites. If the software generates the reflections from the >> >>> positions of K alpha peaks from the start lattice parameters and >> >>> the (extended) upper measured angle, K beta satellites of K alpha >> >>> peaks outside this angular range will maybe not generated and >> >>> remain unfitted in the pattern. If the software generates the peaks >> >>> depending on the shortest wavelength in the wavelength profile >> >>> (more intelligent approach), the software must generate much more >> >>> reflections (with maxima outside the measured angular range) and >> >>> all these peaks must be calculated over an extremely broad angular >> >>> range. In the case of low symmetry structures with big cells or >> >>> disordered structures described by partial structure factors and >> >>> the resulting extreme high numbers of peaks, the "extension effect" >> >>> will cause significantly prolonged time for calculations, without >> >>> any positive effect. >> >>> >> >>> That's why I prefer to use instrumentation with better >> >>> monochromatic radiation (monochromators, high energy resolution >> >>> detectors) even in the daily business of phase analysis. We do use >> >>> our 1D detector Mythen2 with Fe filter (Co radiation) only for >> >>> "quick and dirty" measurements. >> >>> >> >>> Best regards >> >>> >> >>> Reinhard >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Zitat von Luca Lutterotti <luca.luttero...@unitn.it>: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Habib, >> >>>> >> >>>> Reinhard is right, and what he explained is exactly what you >> >>>> observed. Now I would add that I may not define your Bruker clean >> >>>> and optimised, because for this kind of samples, wafers and >> >>>> extremely textured thin films, it would be better to have a >> >>>> monochromator in the incident beam and not a Ni filtered (I would >> >>>> more say it is a requirement). It was already showed many times in >> >>>> the past as a monochromator in the incident beam is a necessity >> >>>> for this materials to avoid all the "physical artifacts" created >> >>>> by the strong intensity and not clean Kalpha radiation. >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Luca >> >>>> >> >>>> <http://www.unitn.it/> >> >>>> >> >>>> Luca Lutterotti >> >>>> Dipartimento di Ingegneria Industriale >> >>>> Università di Trento >> >>>> via Sommarive, 9 - 38123 Trento (Italy) >> >>>> tel. +39 0461 2824-14 (Office), -34 (X-Ray lab) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>  >> >>>> >> >>>> Maud: http://maud.radiographema.com <http://maud.radiographema/> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 4 Sep 2023, at 12:20, Habib Boughzala >> >>>>> <habib.boughz...@ipein.rnu.tn> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Many thanks Reinhard, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> That's exactly what I wanted to say by "I can assure that our >> >>>>> Bruker D8 is clean and optimized!" >> >>>>> Otherwise, in some other cases of well conditioned thin film no >> >>>>> similar phenomenon is observed! >> >>>>> So, yes, it's obviously possible that your point of view is right. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards >> >>>>> Habib >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------ Message d'origine ------ >> >>>>> De "Reinhard Kleeberg" <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de >> >>>>> <mailto:kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>> >> >>>>> À "Habib Boughzala" <boughz...@yahoo.com <mailto: >> boughz...@yahoo.com>> >> >>>>> Cc rietveld_l@ill.fr <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr> >> >>>>> Date 04/09/2023 11:07:50 >> >>>>> Objet Re: Re[2]: [EXT] Re: [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Dear Habib, >> >>>>>> the phenomenom "satellites or edges" originates from the >> >>>>>> diffraction process. The critical parameters are: >> >>>>>> - spectral pureness of the primary beam (primary beam >> >>>>>> monochromator, tube spectral contamination like W...) >> >>>>>> - the use of K beta absorbtion filter (and its thickness) >> >>>>>> - the energy resolution ("window") of the detector system. >> >>>>>> Even a D8 system may be equipped with different types of >> >>>>>> detectors, slits and energy limits can be set differently for an >> >>>>>> identical configuration, and quite often satellite peaks may >> >>>>>> appear later in the time of use (aging of the tube produces more >> >>>>>> W L, Fe filters may corrode and get perforated...). So it is >> >>>>>> strictly recommended to check the instrument peridically, by >> >>>>>> measuring a full pattern of a profile standard (LaB6 or Si or >> >>>>>> similar). >> >>>>>> Greetings >> >>>>>> Reinhard >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Zitat von Habib Boughzala <boughz...@yahoo.com >> >>>>>> <mailto:boughz...@yahoo.com>>: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Dear all, >> >>>>>>> I would like to send you my witness related to this kind of >> >>>>>>> observation. >> >>>>>>> I can assure that our Bruker D8 is clean and optimized! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In many cases of well conditioned thin film (spin coating or >> >>>>>>> controlled diffusion) material this kind of phenomenon is >> >>>>>>> visible around the highest reflection, especially when the >> >>>>>>> preferred orientation is drastically present. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> So, in my opinion, Reinhard and Alan are right, and what is >> >>>>>>> observed is just like reflections broadening, asymmetry, >> >>>>>>> shifting ...etc ... and can be related to the material behavior. >> >>>>>>> Now, what is the physical (crystallographic!) property >> >>>>>>> responsible of this phenomenon? let's open the floor for a >> >>>>>>> large discussion. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Habib >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ------ Message d'origine ------ >> >>>>>>> De "Alan W Hewat" <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com >> >>>>>>> <mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> >> >>>>>>> À "Reinhard Kleeberg" <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de >> >>>>>>> <mailto:kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>> >> >>>>>>> Cc rietveld_l@ill.fr <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr> >> >>>>>>> Date 04/09/2023 09:29:08 >> >>>>>>> Objet Re: [EXT] Re: [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Reinhard is right that it is best to improve the instrument to >> >>>>>>>> produce cleaner data. I'm concerned about the advice to model >> >>>>>>>> all kinds of features whose origin is not fully understood, >> >>>>>>>> simply to obtain a better fit. Shay has told us nothing about >> >>>>>>>> his instrument or his conditions of data collection. He asks >> >>>>>>>> "Is it a sample preparation problem", to which the obvious >> >>>>>>>> reply is "Do you see this with other samples or different >> >>>>>>>> materials" ? Only he can answer that. If the answer is yes, he >> >>>>>>>> might try modifying his instrument (remove filters etc) to see >> >>>>>>>> what effect that has on the pattern from a simple well >> >>>>>>>> characterised material. Again only he can do that. Data >> >>>>>>>> collection is an experimental science, and data refinement >> >>>>>>>> should not be reduced to a "black box" computer program where >> >>>>>>>> extra parameters can be added to reduce the R-factor. >> >>>>>>>> Alan. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Sept 2023 at 08:18, Reinhard Kleeberg >> >>>>>>>> <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de >> >>>>>>>> <mailto:kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Can be modeled in the BGMN peak profile model as well, by >> modifying >> >>>>>>>>> the *.lam file by a series of additional Lorentzians on the >> 1/lambda >> >>>>>>>>> scale, see figure. >> >>>>>>>>> The same can be done for other spectral impurities, e.g. W L >> >>>>>>>>> satellites. Also "electronic effects" on the wavelength >> distribution >> >>>>>>>>> profile like the "edges" from the ROI settings of Si drift >> detectors >> >>>>>>>>> can be modelled in such a convolution based approach. >> >>>>>>>>> However, better to have a pure/simple wavelength distribution >> (clear >> >>>>>>>>> alpha1/2 doublet) by a monochromator or high energy resolution >> >>>>>>>>> detector, as any satellites make trouble in trace phase >> analysis and >> >>>>>>>>> do cause prolonged calculation time in complicated Rietveld >> >>>>>>>>> refinements. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Reinhard >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Zitat von Matthew Rowles <rowle...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:rowle...@gmail.com>>: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Topas can model them quite well. The functionality was >> introduced in >> >>>>>>>>>> version 5. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023, 00:54 Kurt Leinenweber, <ku...@asu.edu >> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ku...@asu.edu>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Are these things modeled in Rietveld programs, by >> >>>>>>>>>>> chance? It seems >> >>>>>>>>>>> like a lot of baggage to put in a refinement but if it >> >>>>>>>>>>> makes the results >> >>>>>>>>>>> better… >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Kurt >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr>> *On Behalf >> >>>>>>>>>>> Of *Thomas Gegan >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2023 9:16 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Bish, David L <b...@indiana.edu >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:b...@indiana.edu>>; Shay Tirosh <stiro...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:stiro...@gmail.com>>; >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fernando Igoa <fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Rietveld List (rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>) <rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [EXT] Re: [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with a Ni absorption edge, possibly with a Kβ peak >> >>>>>>>>>>> around 38° 2θ. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Tom Gegan* >> >>>>>>>>>>> Chemist III >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +1 732 205-5111, Email: tom.ge...@basf.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:tom.ge...@basf.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Postal Address: BASF Corporation, , 25 Middlesex Essex >> >>>>>>>>>>> Turnpike, 08830 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Iselin, United States >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr>> *On Behalf >> >>>>>>>>>>> Of *Bish, David L >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2023 7:08 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Shay Tirosh <stiro...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:stiro...@gmail.com>>; Fernando Igoa < >> >>>>>>>>>>> fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com <mailto:fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Rietveld List (rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>) <rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [EXT] Re: [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Some people who received this message don't often get email >> from >> >>>>>>>>>>> b...@indiana.edu <mailto:b...@indiana.edu>. Learn why this >> >>>>>>>>>>> is important >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!fFhSHn4S5iEzkW-O9lvWG-OzoqK_2SKhRniGa71nxuOL3GcxiyD83i2mnNN0Z48HPkn4zjKqH-aqqA$ >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello Shay, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it is probably related to "tube tails". You can >> >>>>>>>>>>> read about this in >> >>>>>>>>>>> the literature (e.g., on the BGMN web site) and you can >> >>>>>>>>>>> model it in some >> >>>>>>>>>>> Rietveld software such as Topas. You don't normally notice >> >>>>>>>>>>> this but it >> >>>>>>>>>>> becomes apparent with higher-intensity peaks. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Dave >> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr>> on behalf >> >>>>>>>>>>> of Fernando Igoa <fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:fer.igoa.1...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 3, 2023 3:06 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Shay Tirosh <stiro...@gmail.com <mailto: >> stiro...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Rietveld List (rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>) <rietveld_l@ill.fr >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [External] Re: Step-like basline >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please >> >>>>>>>>>>> exercise caution when >> >>>>>>>>>>> clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Shay, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Are you using a motorized slit during the measurement? >> >>>>>>>>>>> These may open up >> >>>>>>>>>>> abruptly to compensate for the angular dependence of the >> >>>>>>>>>>> footprint and thus >> >>>>>>>>>>> generate an abrupt increase in the intensity. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope it helps :) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023, 8:50 AM Shay Tirosh >> >>>>>>>>>>> <stiro...@gmail.com <mailto:stiro...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rietvelders >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching a zoom-in on a diffraction profile. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> My question is what is the origin of the step-like profile >> >>>>>>>>>>> next to a very >> >>>>>>>>>>> large reflection peak? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Is it a sample preparation problem? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Is it part of the baseline? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Shay >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>>>>>>>>>> Please do NOT attach files to the whole list >> >>>>>>>>>>> <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr <mailto:lists...@ill.fr>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> eg: HELP as the subject with no body >> >>>>>>>>>>> text >> >>>>>>>>>>> The Rietveld_L list archive is on >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!fFhSHn4S5iEzkW-O9lvWG-OzoqK_2SKhRniGa71nxuOL3GcxiyD83i2mnNN0Z48HPkn4zjJTf8rNHg$ >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>>>>>>>>>> Please do NOT attach files to the whole list >> >>>>>>>>>>> <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com >> >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr <mailto:lists...@ill.fr>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> eg: HELP as the subject with no body >> >>>>>>>>>>> text >> >>>>>>>>>>> The Rietveld_L list archive is on >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ >> >>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>> TU Bergakademie Freiberg >> >>>>>>>>> Dr. R. 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