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Today's Topics:
1. Re: RavaNa, the meaning (Vis Tekumalla)
2. udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 6 (Sai Susarla)
3. Host, Food (Pranav Kale)
4. udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 7 (Sai Susarla)
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:03:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vis Tekumalla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNa, the meaning
To: "P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sanskrit digest
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Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon lists "ravaNa" (with the short first "a") for crying,
roaring, shouting etc., as shown below:
EntryravaNa
Meaningmfn. roaring , yelling , crying , howling , singing &c. Bhat2t2. ; sonorous (=
%{zabdana}) L. ; sharp , hot (= %{tIkSNa}) L. ; unsteady , fickle (= %{caJcala}) L. ;
m. a sound L. ; a camel L. ; the Koi1l or Indian cuckoo L. ; wagtail (= %{bhaNDaka})
L. ; a bee L. ; a big cucumber L. ; N. of a man g. %{zivA7di} ; of a serpent-king L. ;
n. brass , bell-metal L.
For rAvaNa (with the long first "a") meaning it lists the meaning as Sai has said -
"one who makes you cry." I was trying to think of analogies that would follow the
identical route, i.e., start with a short first "a" in the regular noun form of the
verb, and end up with a "makes you do that" meaning when that first "a" is lengthened
to an "A." I could come up with two such words (there may be many more). They are:
maraNam (dying, death) ------to----mAraNam (killing), which obviously results in
maraNam.
karaNam (doing) -----------------to------------------kAraNam (reason), which results
in karaNam.
Obviously Apte's and MW differ on the rAvaNa meaning. I used to hear a proverb with
reference to male babies, when translated would mean- "this kid, if sleeping is a
kumbhakarNa, if awake is a rAvaNa," which points to a meaning closer to Apte's (cries,
shouts out loud etc., till you cave, and let him have his way:-).
vishveshvaraH
"P.K.Ramakrishnan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
raav has two meanings. One is to cry and the other to make one cry.
raavayati it raavaNah. Like bhUSayati iti bhUSaNam.
So we have raavaNo lokaraavaNah.
There is a musical instrument in Gujrat called raavaNa veeNaa.
Probabaly the English word rave has come the sanskrit raav.
pkr
ai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Monier-williams:
rAvaNa
mfn. (fr. Caus.) causing to cry (with gen. or ifc. ; only in this
sense to explain the name of the famous Ra1kshasa
This was confirmed by a panDita too.
rAvaNam
n. the act of screaming &c. MW. ; N. of a Muhu1rta Cat.
- Sai.
Vis Tekumalla uvaacha:
> I am not sure about the rAvaNa derivation either, but the meaning appears to be one
> who cries loud, roars, screams, bellows, etc., but not "one who makes you cry."
> Apte's (Student's Dictionary) lists the following description under rAvaNa.
>
> a (for adjective) Crying, Screaming, roaring, bewailing.
> and NaH (as in rAvaNaH) for N (name). Under rAvaNaH, it says ---
> of a celebrated demon, king of Lanka, etc., and so on, but the interesting part is
> --- "On one occasion he tried to lift the Kailasa mountain, but Siva pressed it down
> s o as to crush his fingers under it. He, therefore, hymned Siva for one thousand
> years so loudly that the God gave him the name RavaNa....."
>
> As for derivation, I suspect it is on the same lines as juhvAna or AsIna, but I am
> not sure.
>
> vishveshvaraH
>
> Ambujam Raman wrote:
> While the meaning looks acceptable, I have some doubts regarding the
> derivation. The dhatu is 'ru' and the causative is 'raavayate' (Nijanta).
> With the shaanac pratyaya we get raavayamaaNa (who or what is causing to
> cry). How could we justify raavaNa?
>
> rAmaH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sai"
> To: "Ambujam Raman"
> Cc: "sanskrit digest"
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sanskrit] RavaNashatruH
>
>
> > rAvaNaH literally means 'one who makes others cry'.
> > It is derived from ravaH = sound , yell, cry.
> > SatR^i-rAvaNaH = one who makes his enemies cry (i.e., makes them
> > miserable).
> > - Sai.
> >
> > Ambujam Raman uvaacha:
> > >
> > > sa hi maayaabalaH kruuro raavaNaH shatruraavaNaH |
> > > maaM mohayati duShtaatmaa piitamaatreva vaaruNi ||
> > > (Valmiki RamayaNa YuddhakaaNdaM Canto 36.8)
> > >
> > >
> > > In this verse Sita is complaining to Sarama as to how RavaNa confounds
> her like one drunk of liquor with his cruel magic strength. My question is
> what is the meaning of the term shatruraavaNaH ?
> > > Is it same as raavaNashatruH which as a bahuvrihi would mean enemy of
> > > RavaNa? That meaning will not fit well here (note it cannot be a
> > > .. snipped ..
> >
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sai Susarla)
Subject: [Sanskrit] udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 6
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Dr. sarasvati mohan mahodayAyAH paryavekShaNe SrI vikrama santurkarasya anuvAdaH
shlokaH 6
tvAmagne jaladAnAhurvidyutashcha tvameva hi .
dahanti sarvabhUtAni tvatto niShkramya hAyanAH .. 6..\
padavibhaagaH
tvAm agne jaladAn AhuH vidyutaH cha tvam eva hi.
dahanti sarvabhUtAni tvattaH niShkramya hAyanAH ..
anvayaH
agne AhuH tvAm jaladAn cha tvam eva vidyutaH hi.
tvattaH niShkramya hAyanAH sarvabhUtAni dahanti.
pratipadArthaH
agne=O Agni;
AhuH=they say;
tvAm=you;
jaladAn=clouds;
cha=and;
tvam=you;
eva=only;
vidyutaH=lightning;
hi=indeed;
tvattaH=From you;
niShkramya=having burst out;
hAyanAH=flames;
sarvabhUtAni=all the living entities;
dahanti=burn;
anuvAdaH
Brihaspati to Agni deva: O Agni, they say, that you are the clouds and indeed the
lightning. Flames having burst out from you burns all living entities.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:43:16 +0530
From: "Pranav Kale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Sanskrit] Host, Food
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sai Susarla)
Subject: [Sanskrit] udyogaparvam - sarga 16 - 7
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Dr. sarasvati mohan mahodayAyAH paryavekShaNe SrI vikrama santurkarasya anuvAdaH
shlokaH 7
tvayyApo nihitAH sarvAstvayi sarvamida.n jagat .
na te.astyavidita.n kiMchittriShu lokeShu pAvaka .. 7..\
padavibhaagaH
tvayi ApaH nihitAH sarvAH tvayi sarvam ida.n jagat .
na te asti avidita.n kiMchit triShu lokeShu pAvaka
anvayaH
pAvaka tvayi sarvAH ApaH nihitAH. tvayi sarvam ida.n jagat.
triShu lokeShu kiMchit avidita.n na te asti.
pratipadArthaH
pAvaka=O Agni-deva;
tvayi=in you;
sarvAH=all;
ApaH=waters;
nihitAH=is situated
tvayi=In you;
sarvam=all;
ida.n=this;
jagat=universe;
triShu=in three;
lokeShu=worlds;
na=not;
te=for you;
asti=it is;
avidita.n=un-known;
kiMchit=even a little;
anuvAdaH
O Agni-deva, in you all water is situated, in you the entire universe exists.
In three worlds, there is not anything un-known to you.
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