Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
+1 -john On Feb 5, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged. --- John Casey Committer and PMC Member, Apache Maven mail: jdcasey at commonjava dot org blog: http://www.ejlife.net/blogs/john rss: http://feeds.feedburner.com/ejlife/john
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
+1 Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged.
Re: Some continuum-jpa branch updates
Its seems TopLink can do Criteria Queries (using Expressions and ExpressionBuilders, correct me if I am wrong). It seems quite a few JPA implementations provide some sort of Criteria Query API extension. Hibernate does that too ! Damien
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
Definitely, +1 Congratulations! On Feb 5, 2008 3:06 PM, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged.
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
Some good points emerging from this discussion! :-) Would it be a nice idea to put following on wiki: 1) State goals/philosophy for C2 in light of lessons learnt from 1.x development - lean, mean, extensible (~add any other here~) 2) Document *all* features/requirements we want to see in C2 on wiki (even if they are already present in 1.x!). 3) Draw a proposed architecture. 4) Assign items in (1) a priority/weight. Add use-cases to each item in (1) to determine this. 5) Group the priortised requirements/features into milestones. 6) Start cutting code. Thoughts? PS: Codehaus wiki seems to be very slow. Any chance we can have a space created on Apache wiki? Or, I guess it will have to wait for TLP vote. Cheers, Rahul Brett Porter wrote: This looks very exciting, and agree with most of the thread that follows. I'm just going to reply in summary - most of my thoughts are actually non-technical :) Regarding databases: I don't think xml files are the solution (except for the configuration where it makes a lot more sense :) - the data needs to be queryable. I think Andy made a good point in his comment on the roadmap - we need to look at the actual problems. Here's what I think needs to be improved: - better centralisation of access. The architecture of Continuum bleeds JDO decisions all through the code since you access lazy stuff for the first time in obscure places. - I think this might be that the model is too complicated (sorry, my fault) - it assumes complex relationships are handled easily. It seems to be going ok these days, but I feel it would be hard to modify. I haven't looked at Rahul's branch yet, but I think we should consider a more decoupled database (ie, lookup build results for a project but keep them separate in the model to avoid the need to lazyload 90% of the time), and more centralised database logic. I would consider JPA just because it gives more options in terms of an implementation. It is quite easy to use from a development standpoint. But we also need to consider what functionality is needed up front - I think high on the list needs to be migrations between versions. Also, We are probably going to need to store more data in the future, and be able to query it (particularly historical datapoints). On the container: I would prefer to move off Plexus simply because it's a moving target and it's a barrier to entry for new developers. Now, my more general observations. Firstly, the roadmap doesn't appear to have any features - these are all technology changes. Some of that might be cool and a feature in itself, but I think there needs to be a balance between evolution, features, and bugfixing. I would also emphasise that features should be creative new things Continuum can do (for which we've had plenty of ideas), not just catching up to other CI servers :) I think the first part of the roadmap is key - separating the layers out, and basically building Continuum to be lightweight and distributed from the ground up. I hope that's the focus of the development. Note this also impacts the database as it should store much less information on builder machines (it can ship history back to the main server). I also think that supporting plugins is a good idea - it has been a huge bonus in other apps and in Maven itself. I'd like to investigate using OSGi for this. But by far the biggest question I have is what happened to 1.2? I think Continuum needs to set a target to achieve, but get there in gradual steps that at each stage sees a production release. The long 1.1 cycle really set Continuum back - a lot of it was changing features, but there was also a lot of changing technologies :) I don't think Continuum will survive another year-and-a-half release cycle. So the start could be to break all the actions out (plexus, not webwork) into services and add some features, then the next release could adjust the database model and add some other features. And as we split these things out we make sure they are nicely documented and tested. That's my thoughts :) Cheers, Brett On 30/01/2008, at 9:34 AM, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
Are you thinking what I am thinking - an OSGi based runtime underneath and plugins/extensions that could be loaded runtime? :-) Carlos Sanchez wrote: Some comments Database vs xml: definitely database. Throwing away the db access api (JDO/JPA/...) now that it's already there doesnt make much sense. Maybe there are implementations that use xml for storage and that's where you'd need to look if you want file storage Spring vs Guice vs Plexus: Spring for sure. Big community, lots of users, documentation, support,... Specially if you want to add JMX support (can be done really easily just with annotations using reflection), and thinking in OSGi in the future I'm sure it will be really easy to integrate Spring and OSGi if it is not already. I'd start softly, just migrating thing that would require adding features to plexus, and move from there. I agree with Brett on having 1.2, 1.3,... it's good to have a list of what you want to do for 2.0 but as it gets done it should be released in minor versions. On Jan 29, 2008 2:34 PM, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
Hi, This looks very exciting (I love the plugin idea). As all of this features can be long to implement, I agree with Brett to separate into different millestones releases. (IMHO a full big bang will be very long). And currently they are some blocking issues in the 1.1 release. -- Olivier 2008/1/29, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
We can create such a wiki any time - the challenge is converting existing content. If someone is happy to lose history and do it by hand, it can be done straight away. On 06/02/2008, at 9:25 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Some good points emerging from this discussion! :-) Would it be a nice idea to put following on wiki: 1) State goals/philosophy for C2 in light of lessons learnt from 1.x development - lean, mean, extensible (~add any other here~) 2) Document *all* features/requirements we want to see in C2 on wiki (even if they are already present in 1.x!). 3) Draw a proposed architecture. 4) Assign items in (1) a priority/weight. Add use-cases to each item in (1) to determine this. 5) Group the priortised requirements/features into milestones. 6) Start cutting code. Thoughts? PS: Codehaus wiki seems to be very slow. Any chance we can have a space created on Apache wiki? Or, I guess it will have to wait for TLP vote. Cheers, Rahul Brett Porter wrote: This looks very exciting, and agree with most of the thread that follows. I'm just going to reply in summary - most of my thoughts are actually non-technical :) Regarding databases: I don't think xml files are the solution (except for the configuration where it makes a lot more sense :) - the data needs to be queryable. I think Andy made a good point in his comment on the roadmap - we need to look at the actual problems. Here's what I think needs to be improved: - better centralisation of access. The architecture of Continuum bleeds JDO decisions all through the code since you access lazy stuff for the first time in obscure places. - I think this might be that the model is too complicated (sorry, my fault) - it assumes complex relationships are handled easily. It seems to be going ok these days, but I feel it would be hard to modify. I haven't looked at Rahul's branch yet, but I think we should consider a more decoupled database (ie, lookup build results for a project but keep them separate in the model to avoid the need to lazyload 90% of the time), and more centralised database logic. I would consider JPA just because it gives more options in terms of an implementation. It is quite easy to use from a development standpoint. But we also need to consider what functionality is needed up front - I think high on the list needs to be migrations between versions. Also, We are probably going to need to store more data in the future, and be able to query it (particularly historical datapoints). On the container: I would prefer to move off Plexus simply because it's a moving target and it's a barrier to entry for new developers. Now, my more general observations. Firstly, the roadmap doesn't appear to have any features - these are all technology changes. Some of that might be cool and a feature in itself, but I think there needs to be a balance between evolution, features, and bugfixing. I would also emphasise that features should be creative new things Continuum can do (for which we've had plenty of ideas), not just catching up to other CI servers :) I think the first part of the roadmap is key - separating the layers out, and basically building Continuum to be lightweight and distributed from the ground up. I hope that's the focus of the development. Note this also impacts the database as it should store much less information on builder machines (it can ship history back to the main server). I also think that supporting plugins is a good idea - it has been a huge bonus in other apps and in Maven itself. I'd like to investigate using OSGi for this. But by far the biggest question I have is what happened to 1.2? I think Continuum needs to set a target to achieve, but get there in gradual steps that at each stage sees a production release. The long 1.1 cycle really set Continuum back - a lot of it was changing features, but there was also a lot of changing technologies :) I don't think Continuum will survive another year-and-a-half release cycle. So the start could be to break all the actions out (plexus, not webwork) into services and add some features, then the next release could adjust the database model and add some other features. And as we split these things out we make sure they are nicely documented and tested. That's my thoughts :) Cheers, Brett On 30/01/2008, at 9:34 AM, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
+1 -Vincent On Feb 6, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged.
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
+1 ~nakees Emmanuel To Venisse continuum-dev@maven.apache.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc .net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Sent by: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP emmanuel.venisse@ gmail.com 05/02/2008 06:06 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] en.apache.org Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged.
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
well, if you want to have a plugin based architecture, what better that OSGi? and it may help too for distributiion of build machines On Feb 6, 2008 2:08 AM, Rahul Thakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you thinking what I am thinking - an OSGi based runtime underneath and plugins/extensions that could be loaded runtime? :-) Carlos Sanchez wrote: Some comments Database vs xml: definitely database. Throwing away the db access api (JDO/JPA/...) now that it's already there doesnt make much sense. Maybe there are implementations that use xml for storage and that's where you'd need to look if you want file storage Spring vs Guice vs Plexus: Spring for sure. Big community, lots of users, documentation, support,... Specially if you want to add JMX support (can be done really easily just with annotations using reflection), and thinking in OSGi in the future I'm sure it will be really easy to integrate Spring and OSGi if it is not already. I'd start softly, just migrating thing that would require adding features to plexus, and move from there. I agree with Brett on having 1.2, 1.3,... it's good to have a list of what you want to do for 2.0 but as it gets done it should be released in minor versions. On Jan 29, 2008 2:34 PM, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel -- I could give you my word as a Spaniard. No good. I've known too many Spaniards. -- The Princess Bride
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
On Feb 6, 2008 6:52 AM, Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL. I'm so out of date. I used to work with TopLink way back in the earliest days, and tracked it up to the Oracle buyout. After that I didn't pay attention, and it's clearly changed direction. Never knew the core was open-sourced. Anyway, it's always been one of the better OR/M platforms, so I'd be cool with it if the license is Apache-compatible. BTW Hibernate is LGPL so as far as I know it's not Apache-compatible. Regards, Tomek
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
If everyone is happy to keep the history till date on codehaus wiki, I can help copy stuff across to Apache wiki :-) Rahul Brett Porter wrote: We can create such a wiki any time - the challenge is converting existing content. If someone is happy to lose history and do it by hand, it can be done straight away. On 06/02/2008, at 9:25 PM, Rahul Thakur wrote: Some good points emerging from this discussion! :-) Would it be a nice idea to put following on wiki: 1) State goals/philosophy for C2 in light of lessons learnt from 1.x development - lean, mean, extensible (~add any other here~) 2) Document *all* features/requirements we want to see in C2 on wiki (even if they are already present in 1.x!). 3) Draw a proposed architecture. 4) Assign items in (1) a priority/weight. Add use-cases to each item in (1) to determine this. 5) Group the priortised requirements/features into milestones. 6) Start cutting code. Thoughts? PS: Codehaus wiki seems to be very slow. Any chance we can have a space created on Apache wiki? Or, I guess it will have to wait for TLP vote. Cheers, Rahul Brett Porter wrote: This looks very exciting, and agree with most of the thread that follows. I'm just going to reply in summary - most of my thoughts are actually non-technical :) Regarding databases: I don't think xml files are the solution (except for the configuration where it makes a lot more sense :) - the data needs to be queryable. I think Andy made a good point in his comment on the roadmap - we need to look at the actual problems. Here's what I think needs to be improved: - better centralisation of access. The architecture of Continuum bleeds JDO decisions all through the code since you access lazy stuff for the first time in obscure places. - I think this might be that the model is too complicated (sorry, my fault) - it assumes complex relationships are handled easily. It seems to be going ok these days, but I feel it would be hard to modify. I haven't looked at Rahul's branch yet, but I think we should consider a more decoupled database (ie, lookup build results for a project but keep them separate in the model to avoid the need to lazyload 90% of the time), and more centralised database logic. I would consider JPA just because it gives more options in terms of an implementation. It is quite easy to use from a development standpoint. But we also need to consider what functionality is needed up front - I think high on the list needs to be migrations between versions. Also, We are probably going to need to store more data in the future, and be able to query it (particularly historical datapoints). On the container: I would prefer to move off Plexus simply because it's a moving target and it's a barrier to entry for new developers. Now, my more general observations. Firstly, the roadmap doesn't appear to have any features - these are all technology changes. Some of that might be cool and a feature in itself, but I think there needs to be a balance between evolution, features, and bugfixing. I would also emphasise that features should be creative new things Continuum can do (for which we've had plenty of ideas), not just catching up to other CI servers :) I think the first part of the roadmap is key - separating the layers out, and basically building Continuum to be lightweight and distributed from the ground up. I hope that's the focus of the development. Note this also impacts the database as it should store much less information on builder machines (it can ship history back to the main server). I also think that supporting plugins is a good idea - it has been a huge bonus in other apps and in Maven itself. I'd like to investigate using OSGi for this. But by far the biggest question I have is what happened to 1.2? I think Continuum needs to set a target to achieve, but get there in gradual steps that at each stage sees a production release. The long 1.1 cycle really set Continuum back - a lot of it was changing features, but there was also a lot of changing technologies :) I don't think Continuum will survive another year-and-a-half release cycle. So the start could be to break all the actions out (plexus, not webwork) into services and add some features, then the next release could adjust the database model and add some other features. And as we split these things out we make sure they are nicely documented and tested. That's my thoughts :) Cheers, Brett On 30/01/2008, at 9:34 AM, Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
XML-RPC Sample Client
I am trying to run the Sample Client, not familiar with Maven or Java for that matter I am having some difficulties. I am able to 'mvn clean install' the entire continuum application from the root and then invoke the webapp and that all runs fine. But how would one invoke the Sample Client for XML-RPC? When trying to run in with java on the command line I get the following NoClassDefFoundError. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help so far. Jimmy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/projects/continuum/continuum-xmlrpc/continuum-xmlrpc-client/target/classes/org/apache/maven/continuum/xmlrpc/client$ java SampleClient Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: SampleClient (wrong name: org/apache/maven/continuum/xmlrpc/client/SampleClient) at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method) at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:620) at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:124) at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:260) at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$000(URLClassLoader.java:56) at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:195) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:188) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:306) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:276) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:251) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:319)
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
Emmanuel Venisse wrote: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 +1 -- Trygve
Fwd: Cayenne and JPA?
LOL. I mixed my lists, as this happened over on Tapestry, but here's the thread. Looks like Cayenne might be an option depending on how far they're going, but it's not there yet, though I have done a bit of open-source work with Andrus (who heads that project) a long time ago, and he's good with quick support. Anyway, I only mention it because it's an apache-based ORM which has been around for quite some time, and has a decent architecture, and a GUI mapping tool. It's conceptually based on Enterprise Object Framework from NeXT, which became the core of WebObjects etc. Good stuff, and the tool is convenient. Christian. Begin forwarded message: From: Kevin Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 6, 2008 1:06:05 PM GMT-05:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cayenne and JPA? Reply-To: Tapestry development [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is starting to go OT, but figured I'd fill in. Cayenne 3.0 (development version) is partially JPA-enabled. We had some problems with getting access to the TCK, and right now Andrus is the only one with access. Due to weird NDAs, he can't talk about any of it with anyone else that isn't under the same NDA. I'll probably be seeking TCK access shortly. But, the plan is for full JPA compliance and each release gets us much closer. We do have users that do make use of the JPA features and Andrus is pretty quick to fill gaps as users trip over them. -- Kevin On 2/6/08 12:56 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian Edward Gruber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On that note, isn't Cayenne JPA enabled? These guys are pretty sharp and Cayenne has been around for quite some time, and it's been nicely apachefied. Christian. On 6-Feb-08, at 12:48 , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: Another very active Tapestry community member is Kevin Menard, who's been mentoring, filing bugs and providing a lot of patches. Kevin has experience in open source, he's a PMC member on the Apache Cayenne project, and has a lot of interesting plans for Tapestry. Vote to run for three days. Lazy consensus (at least three +1's, no -1's). Binding votes from Tapestry PMC members. Howard M. Lewis Ship: +1 (binding) -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [vote] Request Graduation to a TLP
+1 Vincent 2008/2/5, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Below is the current proposal for the Continuum TLP. Please vote on whether to make this proposal a formal request to the Maven PMC to apply for graduation. [ ] +1 [ ] 0 [ ] -1 Cheers, Emmanuel Establish the Apache Continuum Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the domain of continuous integration. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache Continuum PMC, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to the domain of continuous integration based on software licensed to the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache Continuum PMC, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache Continuum PMC; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache Continuum PMC: - Maria Odea Ching ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Joakim Erdfelt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Olivier Lamy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Trygve Laugstol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Jesse McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Brett Porter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Edwin Punzalan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Carlos Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Wendy Smoak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Rahul Thakur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Emmanuel Venisse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Kenney Westerhof ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Andrew Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Emmanuel Venisse be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Continuum, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache Continuum Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Continuum PMC be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Maven PMC Continuum subproject; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Maven Continuum sub-project and encumbered upon the Apache Maven PMC are hereafter discharged.
Re: [Discussion] Continuum 2.0 Roadmap
I can only agree on the pointers given in the wiki. However, I'd like to reiterate the low significance of database portability in a CI server. I think speed matters but not really portability. Andy seems to be willing to help solve the database problems Continuum is experiencing. Just my 2 cents, though. ^_^ On Jan 29, 2008 2:34 PM, Emmanuel Venisse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I started a document [1] with my ideas about Continuum 2. As you can see in this doc, I want to add lot of things in the next version. Feel free to comment on it. [1] http://docs.codehaus.org/display/CONTINUUM/Continuum+2.0+Design+Discussion Emmanuel
